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Self defence classes for girls in schools?

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SingToTheSky · 19/03/2021 10:26

DD1’s tutor group have been discussing women’s safety a lot and the subject has been handled really well (she told me her tutor hasn’t stood for people laughing it off etc).

She’s been so worried and we’ve talked about doing self defence classes (she was great at tae kwon do but ironically left as she didn’t feel comfortable with some of the male teachers - not due to any behaviour, she just would feel more confident in an all female class). So I’ve emailed her tutor (in the event she’s a mumsnetter... hi! 👋😁) asking if something at school is a possibility, when Covid safe etc.

But it would need to be just for girls really (whether they also offered a boys’ class). Is that likely to be something they’d get into shit for? It’s actually a sports specialist school, and DD1 informs me they do separate PE classes by sex.

I just wondered if anyone knows of schools who have done this, whether in the past or recently in light of recent discussions? Thanks

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Embracelife · 21/03/2021 11:43

Krav maga teaches awareness avoiding situations how to get out e g if grabbed and last resort how to fight back
Dd and I did both mixed class then women only. Really good.
Teacher does mixed classes at schools and females only

You want something that teaches situation awareness and defence.

Shodan · 21/03/2021 11:40

This is something I've felt strongly about for a long time, and in fact was poised to start running self-defence classes for women before covid struck and scuppered it. I will be starting them as soon as possible.

I wanted to approach schools and see what their thoughts were, so it's good to hear that at least one school may be open to the idea.

Floisme · 21/03/2021 11:40

I used to do self defence training many years ago. It was very enjoyable and certainly good for my confidence and overall fitness, however none of the techniques I learned would have been any use against a man who was intent on harming me. I think this needs to be made clear.

hoodathunkit · 21/03/2021 11:34

Thelnebriati

How would that play out in an ABC if a trans woman turned up and insisted in sparring with women?

I'm asking as, prior to lockdown, I was going to join a local ABC and the owner didn't go into detail but from things he said I think this may have come up as an issue for the club and that the club had reached a zenith of understanding about certain things.

Thelnebriati · 21/03/2021 11:30

The Equality Act allows for sex affected activities to be single sex, especially sports. This would be legal. They could offer separate classes for girls and boys.

The Equality Act 2010 seeks to ensure that people are treated equally and not discriminated against because of a protected characteristic . However, the Equality Act 2010 also recognises that sometimes groups of people will need help or encouragement, due to disadvantage, underrepresentation or different needs.
equalityinsport.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Positive-action-in-sport.pdf

hoodathunkit · 21/03/2021 11:22

I am a great fan of teaching girls (and boys for that matter) fighting skills.

Teaching fighting skills should be part of the school curriculum IMO

Learning how to finght is great fun, it excellent fitness training and it teaches kids respect and disipline.

For children boxing really is a great choice because it teaches kids discipline, hard work and respect for teachers. It also teaches kids how to fight back if they are in danger. Also Amateur Boxing Clubs (ABCs) are inexpensive and many do great work with kids diverting them from crime and teaching them how to behave properly.

Judo is also good as the training is standardised and so you are less likely to encounter a martial arts cult or McDojo.

tae kwon do is excellent for exercise but may be limited in terms of martial applications in a situation where a child needs to defend themselves.

My knowledge of TKD is limited as I have not trained it myself, however I know many people who have. There are 2 main schools of TKD and both are very foccussed on kicks generally and high kicks in particular, which may not be the best way for a child to deal with a real life opponent.

ABCs that teach juniors often have single sex classes, so my suggetion would be for you to check that out once we are out of lockdown.

I also think that, whatever MA your daughter learns, it is in her best intersts when the times is right, to spar with male opponents. Sparring is friendly, controlled violence and is great for helping females to learn how to hit males very hard in the face and body (obviously pads are used).

Also good boxing and judo classes will help kids understand the limitations of their skills.

I have seen lots of not very good martial arts trainings for women and children where the instructor imparts a false sense of badassery onto students, potentially placing them at risk of harm.

Due diligence is important

SingToTheSky · 21/03/2021 11:08

Thank you thebuffster :) absolutely agree about the need for it to be a last resort. The tae kwon do teacher is very firm about that.

It would be sensible for them to do boys’ classes too, that’s true. There are some very unsafe areas near the school and when they’ve been asking who’s felt unsafe quite a proportion of the boys said they had, even if not as high as the girls.

Anyway, her form tutor replied and likes the idea, she’s forwarding it on to the relevant department, so that’s good!

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TheBuffster · 19/03/2021 11:53

I think you would have to offer something to the boys. Formal stuff like that you'd definitely get parental complaints otherwise.
If you included different safety and respect messages as part of both clubs I think you'd be more likely to be allowed to separate.

Girls
Basic stranger danger
DV statistics
Running to safety developing stamina
Self defense rules and the law
Self defense moves

Boys
Stranger danger
Respect and consent
DV statistics
How to report behaviour
Running away
Fitness (boxercise or similar)

The thing to get across is that the girls need to be separated from the boys when shown moves for safety, dignity etc.

The other important thing is like all self defense children need to be taught it not to use it and very particular the age of responsibility.
Also build in that fighting is always the last option and running away gives the best chance. Don't want to give false confidence that they can take on a man and win.