Misogyny will now be recorded as a hate crime

CardinalLolzy thank you for the link, it answered my question.

Abuse on twitter etc would potentially go towards a harrassment case, but I don't think it's a crime to send a nasty tweet. Death threats, perhaps.

basically if it's already a crime, then the sentencing will potentially be more severe because of the hate element. This doesn't turn something that's not already a crime into a crime.

The non-crime hate incidents are another matter entirely, though. I look forward to reading guidance on those.

If a man commits an attack on a transwoman because of transphobia (or homophobia) , or a woman because of misogyny, then either way he deserves it to be classified as a hate crime and I'm not sure I care if the former gets registered as misogyny rather than transphobia.

"So would all the abuse gc feminists get on Twitter be counted as a hate crime?"

This is making me smile, I really do hope so......that's going to have a huge impact on some people's agendas. (I was going to say piss on their bonfire) . Death threats are covered under "offences against the person act" and if its categorised correctly to have been not much more than a idle threat, wasn't actually planned for but still caused distress then it can carry a 2 year sentence. I wonder though, if its also a hate crime will this increase its seriousness? Does this mean that it could carry a heavier sentence?

If transwomen are subject to misogyny constituting a crime then of course that should be recorded. As you say, I'm not sure how much work the 'perceived' will be doing here if it's a male-presenting trans woman whose gender identity may be imperceptible.

[quote CardinalLolzy]Surely it already is "perceived sex"? All the other hate crime characteristics include 'perceived', e.g. perceived race, perceived sexual orientation.

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime[/quote]
Oh, have I misunderstood? Doesn't the "perceived" bit mean you can claim to be the opposite sex, like Self ID for gender?

Hate crimes are actual crimes, which additionally have the added factor of being motivated by hostility or prejudice because the victim has, or is thought to have, one of those characteristics.

Non-crime hate incidents are the woolly ones where it gets recorded without anyone investigating whether it happened, whether the alleged perpetrator is who the victim is claiming it to be, etc. It's the subject of the current legal case by Harry Miller.

This is great.

I hope this will include misogyny from transwomen/non-binaries towards women, because when this law has been talked about before or had pilot schemes, as I remember, the specific wording was "from men"/"by men" only.

Surely it already is "perceived sex"? All the other hate crime characteristics include 'perceived', e.g. perceived race, perceived sexual orientation.

The police and the CPS have agreed the following definition for identifying and flagging hate crimes:

"Any criminal offence which is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, based on a person's disability or perceived disability; race or perceived race; or religion or perceived religion; or sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation or transgender identity or perceived transgender identity."

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

'perceived sex’. 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Yes, Mini; extended to pornography and prostitution. Then we're getting somewhere!
Great news.

My own MP assured me that transwomen are in more danger than women because there was no data to prove otherwise
You could claim anything under the sun as fact if that was the criteria
What a complete fool.
Brilliant news, though, thank God.

So would all the abuse gc feminists get on Twitter be counted as a hate crime?

Well lets just say we hope Bojo and the courts agree with us and our definition of what sex is then!

Its a step in the right direction. I am going to have to do some reading around this. And I would like to see this extended to pornography and prostitution.

Is it definite that the police will record misogyny hate crimes under sex, not gender?

Amazing!