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Women's and Equalities - inquiry into the Reform of the Gender Recognition Act

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Leafstamp · 17/03/2021 14:42

Live now for anyone interested:

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/6436ad0d-508d-4208-97da-a39a913a254c

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NecessaryScene1 · 17/03/2021 16:36

She is saying if a women prisoner is assessed as being a danger to other women then she is put in the male estate" Is this true?

I believe it can happen, but it's incredibly exceptional. And the reason it happens is because virtually no women are that dangerous, therefore women's prisons are not equipped with security levels (including staff) capable of dealing with someone posing that level of risk.

But I'm not sure why she's making that point. If women can be put in the male estate, then what's the objection to putting transwomen in there? If women's prisons can't handle dangerous females, they certainly can't handle dangerous males.

yourhairiswinterfire · 17/03/2021 16:35

"No evidence that self ID is an issue"

The people who say this, what they really mean is-''it's not going to cause any issues that will negatively affect me.''

They don't give a toss about the vulnerable women and girls it will affect.

ChattyLion · 17/03/2021 16:35

Very confusing answer about what female sex is coming from Cat at GIRES.. my ingredients include woman?

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Leafstamp · 17/03/2021 16:34

Someone just said, in relation to sport “advantage comes from hormones, not chromosomes”

Cat says her sex is female (because her hormones are the same as other post menopausal women)

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MrsMidClegs · 17/03/2021 16:34

"If you make it about chromosomes you are going to get it wrong most of the time"

FGS Not raging at all

Berthatydfil · 17/03/2021 16:33

So sex “might” be a biological factor - and here comes intersex

Changemusthappen · 17/03/2021 16:33

Talking about XX and XY is infantile evidently. I really need to turn this off.

Now we're on intersex!

highame · 17/03/2021 16:30

Crossdresser having protected characteristic, can that be right. Staying Stonewall not the government therefore context. Narrower definition for government but in community this might be different. Welcome and invited.

I love this questioner, who is she? anyone know? I haven't seen her before.

Berthatydfil · 17/03/2021 16:30

Cat was being disingenuous saying she is weaker than her former self. But surely what needs to be comparable is an other woman the same age surely ?

highame · 17/03/2021 16:28

Stonewall definition is umbrella and therefore numbers much greaster than anticipated. Anyone who feels.............oh had to backtrack on that

rogdmum · 17/03/2021 16:28

I’ve only listened to a bit of it, but my impression was that Mermaids seem to be rowing back a tiny bit. Lui was emphasising that very few minors go down the medicalised route and most of their needs were around social support (and I am at complete odds with their affirmation only position here), but this was quite different to previous sessions where Susie Green has pushed for fast track access for young people to the medicalised path.

Plus she was actually acknowledging detransitioners. Not in a comprehensive way, but even a year or so ago they wouldn’t have had a mention.

They do seem to be shifting their position ever so slightly. Publicly at least. Not convinced about in private and am still at complete odds with their position.

Nancy was awful- the whole schools support bit viewed completely through the lens of trans and no acknowledgement to the complexity of the issue and the validity of watchful waiting as an acceptable approach.

teawamutu · 17/03/2021 16:27

Are the people listening to her clued up enough themselves to know she is talking bollocks? That's the concern here, that they will assume Nancy knows what she's talking about.

Time for some letters?

highame · 17/03/2021 16:26

It was completely wrong that a case by case situation was used. This is a misinterpretation and in actual fact exclusion is used on the whole estate and not just individuals. This whole misinterpretation has been catastrophic

ChattyLion · 17/03/2021 16:25

Good that an MP is asking about fairness at any level of sport not just elite sport.

AnneListersHat · 17/03/2021 16:25

Who's the MP in a green dress that is obviously TWAW?

Panicmode1 · 17/03/2021 16:25

@OvaHere Thanks - I did watch one of the earlier ones and they were (seemingly) so dismissive of women's concerns.

(and just listening and it's not true there are no elite trans athletes - Laurel Hubbard, Veronica Ivy....?!)

Berthatydfil · 17/03/2021 16:25

Cat - what about Emily bridges ???

Berthatydfil · 17/03/2021 16:23

Cat says it doesn’t matter that girls get thrown off a sports team. What about that girl’s feelings ????

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Leafstamp · 17/03/2021 16:23

Nancy: "a GRC is not how you get into a single sex space".

Lui: "no evidence to support that self ID harms women"

Jane: "recommend that the panel look at the Irish 4 page GRC-equivalent on self-declaration... I don't see why it has to be any more than that"

Cat: "EA2010 addresses safety on a case by case basis. She is saying if a women prisoner is assessed as being a danger to other women then she is put in the male estate" Is this true??!

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highame · 17/03/2021 16:23

Sport has nothing to do with the EA10

OvaHere · 17/03/2021 16:23

@Panicmode1

Are any women being asked for their views at all? Or are all of the speakers trans lobby groups?

This is awful.....

There's been 2 or 3 previous panels where women's groups and women's advocates have spoken. It just happens that this afternoon is the turn of the gender organisations.
ChattyLion · 17/03/2021 16:23

Apparently women who pose a risk to women in the female prison estate would be housed in the male estate? Eh?

Berthatydfil · 17/03/2021 16:22

Are women ever put in men’s prisons ? Cat says so

OvaHere · 17/03/2021 16:21

@JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown

Nancy Kelley: "A GRC is not how you get allocated into a particular part of the prison estate", except that this was confirmed that this automatically happens when you've got a GRC in the initial arguments for the MoJ review. She really has no idea, does she? She doesn't even seem to know what Stonewall has put forward on sex exemptions. It's really bad.
Are the people listening to her clued up enough themselves to know she is talking bollocks? That's the concern here, that they will assume Nancy knows what she's talking about.
highame · 17/03/2021 16:21

EA safety is case by case basis. This is wrong. It is the whole estate that can limit access or stop access. She has that completely wrong

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