Am I being dramatic?

Oh, honey, I think I remember that other thread.

Whether he agrees or not with sex offenders abusing women is not the point. The point is he’s enabling it and then calling women bigots for having boundaries.

Bold fail

Btw, my husband was vaguely TWAW without really thinking about what that meant, when I asked him if he'd perform oral sex on a woman's penis he then decided what a woman was and wasn't

*Btw, my husband was vaguely TWAW without really thinking about what that meant, when I asked him if he'd perform oral sex on a woman's penis he then decided what a woman was and wasn't
And this

Tell him you identify as a man and he’s now gay. See if that makes him sit up and think at all!

Ask him to imagine a 3rd sex, bigger and stronger than men. They can rape and impregnate men and have a high incidence of violence and discrimination against them. For this reason they have separate toilets, prisons, hospital wards etc like men and women do (used to).

How would he feel about them identifying as men and being allowed access to him to harm him, or just intimidate him because he'd never know which ones were going to harm him?

Or give him the example of dogs and cats. There are kind, gentle harmless dogs. There are aggressive cats. But generally, dogs are bigger and have the potential to harass, chase and/or kill cats. So do you put dogs and cats in the same enclosure at a kennels? Do you say a dog who behaves like a cat is a cat? If not why not?

Come back OP! What do you think?

OP I genuinely believe that some men subscribe to TWAW because its easier than acknowledging feminine males.

TW are valid and are entitled to security and safety within the workplace and socially etc but they are TW not women and recognising that is not hate

My friend once had a partner who came home from work one day criticising a woman who had complained about the lack of single sex toilets (the women's had just become mixed sex and the men's remained single sex) which he dismissed as 'terfy bs', it was the beginning of the end of their relationship. She too felt she was being overreacting or being dramatic, but it undermined the relationship from that point on and she's far happier out of it.

I just couldn't have a sexual relationship with a man who likes pretending there is no difference between men and women.

Besides, plenty of women are happy without single sex spaces.

He can share with those women, then. Meanwhile, the ones who aren't happy need to retain their single-sex facilities.

Ask him what he's doing to make male spaces more welcoming to Trans men. Or is it a case of 'Men' and 'other'.

There’s a visual that I see on twitter - the one with a rogues gallery of chaos who have been very vocal in the removal of single wax provisions - then convicted of sex crimes. I’d flash that and innocently ask if these are the people he wants it side with?

Why is he actively campaigning to remove single sex spaces? I know many men who don't like mixed sex toilets either. He sounds like he doesn't respect you or women generally, and is playing with your head.

Without being dramatic - he’s be out. What skin does he even have in this game?

He's a male, and can empathise with oppressed males in a way he somehow cannot with oppressed females.

I think I could just about reconcile a difference of opinion with my DH on this... But you say your DH is actively campaigning for the removal of single sex spaces.

Again, I could get on board and would join in with my DH actively campaigning for third spaces, but him actively campaigning to remove my safe spaces would probably be the death knell for my marriage tbh, and I'm not being dramatic when I say that.

Btw, my husband was vaguely TWAW without really thinking about what that meant, when I asked him if he'd perform oral sex on a woman's penis he then decided what a woman was and wasn't.

Ask him why he's so very invested in deciding that other biological males should share women's spaces even when women say they don't consent to it, and why he feels it's appropriate for him to have a say on it, as he presumably recognises his own male privilege being so involved in social justice issues?

Without being dramatic - he’s be out. What skin does he even have in this game?

When a man tells you who he is, believe him.

Do you have children with this gynophobe?

If he’s actively campaigning then this goes beyond an ideological difference.

I could be misremembering, but OP didn’t you have a similar thread before and you’d asked your husband whether he’d ever have a relationship with a transwoman and he said he found some attractive?

Not sure how your husband and Stonewall can make the argument that same-sex spaces are bigotry but same-gender spaces aren’t. What is his rationale for segregation on the basis of gender? It will be pretty easy to refute.

Yes, as others have said, does that mean he'd have sex with a TW who hadn't had any operations?

I can understand men backing up women's rights to a single sex space. I can understand TW who want to share those spaces. I can't understand a man who isn't trans who thinks women shouldn't have single sex spaces.

Do you have children together?

Sounds like he is the one being dramatic (and an ignorant selfish twonk to boot).

TWAW is an ideology being gender critical is not, it is resisting an incoming ideology.

The ideology accusation was just another one of our arguements that got co-opted and inverted.

You could argue secular liberalism or feminism are an ideology, but you can't argue that acknowledging sex based differences and wanting sex segregated services to remain are an ideology.

Ask him how Muslim and other religious women fit into his brave new world.