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Am I being dramatic?

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talkingdeadscot · 17/03/2021 12:31

DH and I have been having various discussions around the trans issue and what it means for the rights of women and girls. He's TWAW and I'm fiercely feminist.

He's actively campaigning for the removal of single sex spaces as per Stonewall. I'm a woman who wants to keep those spaces. He believes gender is more important than sex so in the long run single sex spaces are better for everyone.

For me, I've said why this isn't better for women, I've said I don't want to lose single sex provision but it makes no difference. He says we both have an ideology we believe in and neither of us will change their mind.I feel as though this is just another case of a man telling a woman what's best so in that regards it's no different to men denying women contraception or abortion. He says I'm being ridiculous and over dramatic, it's nothing like the same. Besides, plenty of women are happy without single sex spaces.

Am I being ridiculous or over dramatic?

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MaudTheInvincible · 17/03/2021 21:03

@ValancyRedfern

I'm wondering if you'd benefit from getting in touch with the transwidows as it sounds like this might be the direction this is heading in.

Yes, I second this.

MaudTheInvincible · 17/03/2021 21:02

I remember your other thread. This is a really shitty position he's put you in. PP are right; these are not his rights to give away. Thanks

ValancyRedfern · 17/03/2021 20:34

I'm wondering if you'd benefit from getting in touch with the transwidows as it sounds like this might be the direction this is heading in.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 17/03/2021 20:29

I really feel for you, OP. In a way it’s good that he’s making his contempt and dislike for women so clear. He’s not going to try to stop you leaving. I would be sickened by any man who gloated that he was actively campaigning against women.

No surprise that this coincides with his discovery that he’s ‘bisexual’. Let’s guess what his next discovery will be ....

LOLeater · 17/03/2021 20:20

Have read this OP and I’m so sorry that you are in this position. I don’t think I could be in a marriage with a person who didn’t share my feelings on this issue and for what it’s worth, I think you sound like a woman who deserves a lot better than this partner.
Best of luck to you as you focus on moving forward.

BitMuch · 17/03/2021 20:09

@BaseDrops

So he’s actively campaigning snd has recently become bisexual. And is telling his wife she is akin to a racist for wanting to only have female sex medical practitioners for intimate exams.

I wouldn’t be having unprotected sex with him. I wonder what the next reveal will be. Sorry OP he sucks. Throw the whole man away.

Yes, make sure you do not have unprotected sex with him. He is highly invested in something and it is not his marriage or the wellbeing of his wife.

This South African woman very effectively debunks the offensive rhetoric from the 'woke left' that equates unequal treatment of black women with the sex segregation of females from males in toilets in this video: . How dare he campaign to remove our rights, he is not acting as an ally to any woman.

Ahbahbahbah · 17/03/2021 19:28

Wow. I thought from your first post that I’d be considering divorce if my DH said that to me, so glad to see you’re already there!

He’s a knob. Who believes that knobs can be vaginas if they feel like it. I couldn’t take anybody seriously who doesn’t understand basic facts.

continuallyconflating · 17/03/2021 19:19

I was going to ask if he knows about the concept of the cotton ceiling.
It was this and it's rapey connotations that let my DP finally see the light
(When I first heard it, I naively thought of cotton sheets, he understood immediately the barrier that was being broached)
But reading on it sounds like there'll be no shared understanding
All I can offer is Flowers

persistentwoman · 17/03/2021 19:01

Oh dear OP. Doesn't sound like there's much alternative. On the bright side, far better to live independently than to be tied to an adult who is intolerant of your rights and values? And maybe that recent disclosure is the beginning of a series of them?

Waitwhat23 · 17/03/2021 18:47

Frankly, they're not his rights to give away.

BaseDrops · 17/03/2021 18:43

So he’s actively campaigning snd has recently become bisexual. And is telling his wife she is akin to a racist for wanting to only have female sex medical practitioners for intimate exams.

I wouldn’t be having unprotected sex with him. I wonder what the next reveal will be. Sorry OP he sucks. Throw the whole man away.

Doyoumind · 17/03/2021 18:31

Does he worry about going out walking alone at night? I assume not.

Does he worry about you going out walking alone at night? If yes, is he worried about you being attacked by men or women? If men, then how can he not be concerned about men abusing access to spaces even if he thinks TWAW?

If he doesn't worry about you out alone at night then clearly LTB.

talkingdeadscot · 17/03/2021 18:25

@AnyOldPrion

Good luck with splitting up, OP. Keep plodding on with your plans. I hope you can build a better life without him.
Thank you. I had the foresight to be in charge of all the finances so I've no worries about him running off with all the money! I wouldn't do that to him either but I'm definitely changing my will! Luckily there's a good thread about women centred organisations on here Grin
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talkingdeadscot · 17/03/2021 18:23

@RedDeerRunning

Although having now RTFT, I wonder if he just knows how to wind you up, and that's what he's doing
He's not winding me up, he absolutely believes what he's saying. Apparently he's changed his views on gender over the last 10 years but didn't think to talk to me about it at all. He's now bisexual but didn't discuss that with me either. There's more to this than I initially thought but he's not winding me up.
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AnyOldPrion · 17/03/2021 17:58

Good luck with splitting up, OP. Keep plodding on with your plans. I hope you can build a better life without him.

RedDeerRunning · 17/03/2021 17:56

Although having now RTFT, I wonder if he just knows how to wind you up, and that's what he's doing

RedDeerRunning · 17/03/2021 17:53

Lovely that he feels he has the right to wave away women's rights so casually. Whilst having to give up precisely nothing himself.

Erkrie · 17/03/2021 17:23

I couldn't be with someone who didn't support my rights and safety. I'm so sorry op.

userzerozero · 17/03/2021 17:20

With the last decade of my life being defined by sex in the form of motherhood, loss of career and menopause, I am deeply invested in women’s issues. The JKR incident drove me over the edge. To be honest, if we didn’t have a daughter who needs my full-time attention and the pandemic constraining my work options, I would be divorced right now. My husband feels that I am overly invested in the definition of woman. He can see my perspective better after six months of sharing information, but I feel unsafe with the lengthy dismissal of my concerns. I have to weigh the impact of divorce on my daughter’s life against a strong desire to leave.

SapphosRock · 17/03/2021 17:03

Oh OP. I'm in a similar situation and it's hard.

My DW and I don't want to split up over it so we have agreed not to discuss it. We often slip up and end up talking about the issues which only leads to us falling out.

You won't change his mind unfortunately. He might come around one day but it won't be from your arguments.

No advice really, but lots of sympathy Thanks

WindyPudding · 17/03/2021 17:01

in Scotland of all places

That made me laugh OP!

alkanet · 17/03/2021 16:10

OP

I think you have made your mind up about this guy, he sounds like a controlling coercive arsewipe. The whole submitting to an intimate examination thing is a massive red flag to me, and I would be looking for a well planned exit strategy for when you feel better. He's setting my wrong wrong wrong bells off!

Biscuitsanddoombar · 17/03/2021 16:07

Oh lord OP I thought this sounded familiar & I remember your other thread

You’re not being over dramatic & he is being an utter twunt

justanotherneighinparadise · 17/03/2021 16:06

Why does he even care? He has no skin in the game from what I can glean. Honestly my DP just supports me as he doesn’t really give a shit either way but knows it’s important to me.

CatChant · 17/03/2021 16:03

Women's rights are not his to give away.

I am sorry, OP. I could not stay with a man like that either. I would be in a permanent state of fury.

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