Am I being dramatic?

Why on Earth would you consider how fuckable someone is to be the benchmark for what constitutes womanhood? Fucking hell, it’s bleak.

Women don't think like this, but men do. It's usually the thing that they will finally concede on, that no....they wouldn't have sex with a TW.

Britain’s 2010 Equality Act protects trans people from discrimination in accessing single-sex spaces.

Those who are undergoing or who have had gender reassignment. Not just anyone who identifies as trans. And it still does not give an automatic right to single sex spaces. Don't be misleading now.

I know what the exclusions aren't. In fact they clearly list examples of what they can't be:

"The exclusion can only be applied on an individual case-by-case basis and must not form part of a blanket policy for the treatment of transsexual people (Equality Act 2010, Schedule 3, Part 7; Equality Act 2010, Schedule 23)"

The law does provide for exclusions in exceptional circumstances.

Indeed. And what do you think those exceptional circumstances might be?

Britain’s 2010 Equality Act protects trans people from discrimination in accessing single-sex spaces.

The law does provide for exclusions in exceptional circumstances.

Not at all, ever!

No matter how much you want to believe Stonewall's interpretation of the law!

Gender Identity is nothing in law!

Sex is
Gender reassignment is

And there is a specific part of that law that deals with all the times single sex spaces can be upheld, exclusions and all!

Not Gender or Gender Identity.

You really must try harder. This isn't the first time you have been told this!

Hope OP that you're feeling a bit more reassured about your reaction? There's no joy in sharing your life with a man who disrespects women's rights to boundaries regardless of our stage in life. Just take a look at the Relationships board.

Once again, not removed. Trans people are legally permitted to use spaces according to their gender identity.

There are very few exceptions to this.

You're not "protecting women's spaces". You're campaigning to remove rights that trans people have today.

You know you said earlier you wouldn't bother the Trans Widows? Would you at least reassure us that you'll pop in and have a chat if/when the seemingly inevitable happens?

I am sure they'll be happy(?!?!) to help.

Change your name to Dave, identify as a man and buy a strap on.... bet he’ll get it then!

You are quite right Erish I should have explained and not just tutted!

CreosoteQueen I was making reference to the mantra TWAW rather than any specific woman, or transwoman. The point being that as a presumably straight man he has no skin in the game until he is asked to be intimate with a transwoman. At that point woudl he still believe in the mantra TWAW? Or would he believe his own eyes and know that TWAM? Given the vast majority of transwomen have intact male genitalia!

I won't apologise for not having phrased it nicely the first time round, the point was fully intended to be made crudely!

Not an individual person, CreosoteQueen. Any MTF trans person. If he wouldn't, because he considers himself straight, he should see the issue with TWAW and insisting that regardless of how women feel, this group of male people can use their spaces.

He says we both have an ideology we believe in and neither of us will change their mind.

Except your POV can be rationally explained and his can't. His is ideology, yours is basic reality and common sense.

To read that as you did is weird! Truly weird!

But yes, it is bleak! Truly fucking bleak for all women - adult, human females (just in case).

And no I don't think you're being dramatic. I think myself that anyone who believes that some women must suffer for people born male to be happier, who sees only binary solutions instead of thinking of all needs, and who uses words like inclusion and kindness when they mean 'exclude and don't care about anyone not like me' is fundamentally not a very nice person.

He says we both have an ideology we believe in and neither of us will change their mind.

He's right. They're irreconcilable positions, so the obvious answer is to provide additional spaces and meet all needs. Otherwise you're merely valuing the needs of male people for mixed sex spaces over the needs of female people who need single sex spaces. Both can exist just fine. Kindness, respect, inclusion, diversity, we dance, we sing, we go home happy.

I don't get anyone who just wants women to lose single sex provisions and suffer and shut up, and yet still talks about inclusion as if it's a value they believe in. It's fundamentally sexist and oppressive. They just believe male people matter more than female ones.

What does he plan to do with the women (tax payers) who can no longer access any spaces at all if they're mixed sex?

How many women is he seeing as collateral damage to exclude from society to give male people the freedom of all the choices?

Should women still continue to pay tax if they're excluded from society?

Why is he a fan of compelled belief and speech? Where in history has that ever ended somewhere nice and happy and good for a society?

Ask him, very bluntly, just how true TWAW is. Would he fuck one?

Why on Earth would you consider how fuckable someone is to be the benchmark for what constitutes womanhood? Fucking hell, it’s bleak.

It is true that for many decades transwomen have used female facilities and women have not spoken out. But There is no law that entitles a transperson to use the loos of their 'chosen' sex.

In fact the EA2010 explicitly outlines how and why they can be exlcuded on the basis of actual sex.

No matter what Stonewall have taught you and many of our national organisations, what you state as fact is entirely incorrect!

And I now suspect you'll come back with "Oh, but if they have a GRC..." and we will discuss that too!

op I have huge sympathy for your situation - it does sound like this man does not have your best interests at heart - you deserve much better.

If you are thinking of the Equality Act 2010 it very clearly does not allow people to self-identify into the facilities of the opposite sex. The protected characteristic of Gender reassignment protects from employment discrimination and bullying - it does not allow the person unfettered access to the spaces of the opposite sex.

If you are thinking about the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the requirement to 'live in the acquired gender' for 2 years - this question was never really dealt with - David Lammie brushed aside all concerns and objections to this point and seemed convinced that this was only relating to a maximum of 5000 people in the country.

It was never fully addressed and so that, along with the deliberate lies propagated to this day (Nancy Kelley yesterday in fact by Stonewall et al has led to a misconception. But it is only a misconception and all male people can be excluded from many female only spaces such as changing rooms, toilets, female hospital wards, breastfeeding groups, women's rights groups etc etc.

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