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FPFW: ONS concede defeat!

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PandorasMailbox · 17/03/2021 07:09

"We did it. We won. ONS have conceded defeat and will pay our legal costs.The High Court has now sealed the court order that sex in census cannot be self-identified.

Please share the news!"

fairplayforwomen.com/fair-play-for-women-wins-high-court-challenge-against-ons-census/?fbclid=IwAR0tJbErXe1wtBvuwZeNfyqs71OGlGvXQIoERD5FeBGyzoWmCz7DpkbXlT0

Fantastic news Smile

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Imnobody4 · 17/03/2021 11:56

Good article - this ruling must follow through to all statistcs
simonbriscoeblog.wordpress.com/2021/03/17/sex-in-official-statistics-the-regulators-review/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

LetsTalkAboutSexBabyNotGender · 17/03/2021 11:48

Thank fuck sanity is starting to prevail.

I'm happy my donation will be kept whether already used towards for this case, or other future requirements. The tax I have paid towards this case on the other hand....

Purpletomato · 17/03/2021 11:43

Well done, great news.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 11:41

Happy to sign and share the petition and no need to delete but agree it needs a separate thread.

Shedbuilder · 17/03/2021 11:38

@WeRoarSometimes

Apologies to piggyback on this thread, I know it's cheeky but there are so many posters here. The Women's Aid petition still needs thousands of more signatures so that it can solicit a response from the government.

If any of you could sign it and share with any of the women you know, I'd be so grateful.

I can't post the direct link but the title of the petition is:
Require local authorities to fund specific domestic abuse services for women

I'll delete this post if it bothers any of you.

Why not start a separate thread about this?
OvaHere · 17/03/2021 11:38

@WeRoarSometimes

Apologies to piggyback on this thread, I know it's cheeky but there are so many posters here. The Women's Aid petition still needs thousands of more signatures so that it can solicit a response from the government.

If any of you could sign it and share with any of the women you know, I'd be so grateful.

I can't post the direct link but the title of the petition is:
Require local authorities to fund specific domestic abuse services for women

I'll delete this post if it bothers any of you.

Thanks for posting. Will share.
SunsetBeetch · 17/03/2021 11:33

I wonder what all those TRAs who have already filled it in and put their sex as female are going to do?

SunsetBeetch · 17/03/2021 11:32

Brilliant! Wine

Ninkanink · 17/03/2021 11:29

I’m sure no one will mind!

WeRoarSometimes · 17/03/2021 11:28

Apologies to piggyback on this thread, I know it's cheeky but there are so many posters here.
The Women's Aid petition still needs thousands of more signatures so that it can solicit a response from the government.

If any of you could sign it and share with any of the women you know, I'd be so grateful.

I can't post the direct link but the title of the petition is:
Require local authorities to fund specific domestic abuse services for women

I'll delete this post if it bothers any of you.

Leafstamp · 17/03/2021 11:26

As PP have said there needs to be questions answered here.

I’d urge people to use this as an opportunity to write to MPs, submit FOI requests etc etc.

Have a look on the daily acts of feminism thread.

We must keep up momentum!

Manderleyagain · 17/03/2021 10:53

I think I will also take this as an opportunity to write to my MP again, and ask why the cabinet office (no. 10), the government legal department, ehrc and NHS all supported the ons in providing unlawful guidence for the census.

Graffitiqueen · 17/03/2021 10:52

They need to know that women will not compromise and there will be strong fight back against the erasure of our sex. #sexmatters #sexnotgender

Manderleyagain · 17/03/2021 10:51

@Clariana

Can someone post a link to the letter to send with the paper copy of the census please? I can't find it.
This is it sexinthecensus.org/on-census-night/ I am going to see if the recommended wording changes as a result of the ruling, and if not I think I will change the wording to acknowledge it.

There is still something to be gained by sending the letter:
-it makes them acknowledge the difference between sex & legal sex. If alot if ppl ask them to store their data as biological sex /sex registered at birth as distinct from sex on a grc, and ask for a response to this.
-it gives us a chance to explain why we didn't answer the gender identity question (for those who didn't), and to ask them to take that into account when looking at how many ppl answered it.
-it tells them lots of ppl are engaging on this.

Waspie · 17/03/2021 10:46

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

New Years Honour for Nic Williams?

Dr Nicola Williams OBE for services to women’s rights and general sanity. Sounds good, no?

Amazing news

That does sound good Grin

Well done and thank you so much FPFW. Bloody good news Flowers

heathspeedwell · 17/03/2021 10:34

What would be brilliant next is if Janice Turner could write an article on the true cost of Stonewall.

Just how much is this trans-lobby costing the UK tax payer? And how much does that equate to per person with a GRC?

As well as the £9 million funding they get a year, there's all the money our public bodies spend on becoming Stonewall champions and the hidden but presumably massive costs of all the hours spent doing all the lengthy paperwork involved in being a champion.

Then there's the massive costs of all the recent legal challenges.

It would take a huge amount of work to get anywhere near an accurate figure, but I do think it would be a massive eye-opener for a lot of people to see how much public money is being wasted on trying to roll back women's rights.

persistentwoman · 17/03/2021 10:30

This is what needs to happen next:

mobile.twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1372090067775324161

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 17/03/2021 10:29

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

New Years Honour for Nic Williams?

Dr Nicola Williams OBE for services to women’s rights and general sanity. Sounds good, no?

Amazing news

Lovely ring to it
BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 17/03/2021 10:25

New Years Honour for Nic Williams?

Dr Nicola Williams OBE for services to women’s rights and general sanity. Sounds good, no?

Amazing news

chilling19 · 17/03/2021 10:15

This is such good news! And, as PP have pointed out, it will surely give other organisations pause when listening to bullshit advice from Stonewall. It is costing organisations their money and their reputations.

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/03/2021 10:15

‘getting more and more angry as I think about this’ I was about to write that.

However... I was chatting to DS this morning (his school has erupted in its own little #metoo movement) and I’m happy to say that has become quite the respectful crusader. We discussed Debbie Hatton, Buck Angel and Scot Newgent and their comments on sex and gender and what they have gone through (among other things). He said ‘why don’t we hear so much about trans men when the number of girls going to these clinics is so much higher than boys...’. The lightbulb went off then and he worked out who really has the power etc... so that cheered me up.

Then I was in a meeting where this discussion was basically trying to place a wedge in women’s rights along the lines of race. Come on now people, we can’t be divided like this.

Datun · 17/03/2021 10:10

Fabulous news. The grown ups have entered the room.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 17/03/2021 10:08

The legal fund will be largely intact (you don’t usually get all your costs covered when costs are awarded) this is great news. FPFW can focus on the next challenge and act very quickly if they need to.

Zeugma · 17/03/2021 10:07

I'm getting more and more angry as I think about this, and the fact that FPFW - a tiny organisation - had to take the ONS, the Office for National Statistics, to court to establish the right for all women to have their sex recorded in the census, a completely basic and standard measure which has been on all censuses since the very beginning - it's absolutely incredible if you stop to think about it.

The ONS consulted with NO women's groups in trying to smuggle through their bullshit conflation of sex and gender, let's not forget that. But they spent years consulting with transgender 'stakeholders'.

Changemusthappen is right, they're not going to hold up their hands and apologise. They've been well and truly captured.

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