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Multiple women murdered in Atlanta

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PotholeHellhole · 17/03/2021 03:08

I've just come across this:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-four-asian-women-shot-dead-at-two-day-spas-in-atlanta/ar-BB1eEUq4

But the update suggests six Asian women across multiple locations, plus one white woman and a white man. I'm not sure that Asian in the US means the same ethnicity it does here, but regardless, that's women of a particular group targeted. It can't be a coincidence.

This is horrendous.

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DuncinToffee · 17/03/2021 20:00

I shared this article on a different thread

www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/there-were-3-800-anti-asian-racist-incidents-mostly-against-n1261257

There were 3,800 anti-Asian racist incidents, mostly against women, in past year
“There is an intersectional dynamic going on that others may perceive both Asians and women and Asian women as easier targets,” one professor said.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2021 20:00

I cannot get over the sympathy expressed by the cops. He was fed up and having a bad day. Was he? WAS HE? Now think of the friends and family of those women. The other women who work in places like that. The fear those women must have felt.

Honestly I'm apoplectic with rage.

There are so many things he could have done. I can think of many ways to shut down brothels. None of them involve shooting women. Trafficking makes the women the most replaceable part of the whole disgusting industry. Again, someone needs to ask the police officer if he, or any of his men, have frequented those places.

WarriorN · 17/03/2021 20:00

@Doyoumind

I haven't fully caught up on this story but when I read about it first thing today I felt it was an attack on women first and foremost and not related to ethnicity. The type of establishment could only mean women were the targets, and yet the reporting was around 'some of the victims being women' Angry and that is was primarily racially motivated. Seems like my reading of it was correct.

I thought exactly the same.

This is so awful, this poor women and their families.

I did also wonder if I was being too assumptive that they were working there, was I subscribing to a horrid stereotype. But when you see how far he drove and the look of the places, the time and think about how these women experience a mix of misogyny and racism, probably poverty or even trafficked and so end up there, you know he's targeted those women specifically.

SunsetBeetch · 17/03/2021 19:53

@SimonJT

Asian hate crimes have increased by 115% in the States in the last year.

Recently an 89 year old Chinese woman was slapped and set on fire in Brooklyn.

My god. I knew it had increased, but not by that much. That's a shocking statistic.
HermitsLife · 17/03/2021 19:44

Thats who I was thinking of Simon and poor Philando Castillo. Shot to death at point blank range in his car while his girlfriend and her daughter were sitting with him while complying with police instructions.

Sorry for the derail. I'm really angry about what happened to these women. So many intersections of disadvantage that mean police just see that as collateral in some poor lamb's existential crisis, rather than a terrorist act against minority women.

PotholeHellhole · 17/03/2021 19:18

Wow that is well put. I'll be following that Llama blogger.

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Delphinium20 · 17/03/2021 19:16

Well, sadly, this looks like an intersectional example of misogyny. People have been increasing attacks on Asians here in the US and the attacker claims he was upset about his sex addiction so he, sadly, punishes women.

1st Rule of Misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

nickymanchester · 17/03/2021 19:14

It appears that the killer has being trying to "justify" his crimes by claiming that the shootings were not racially motivated but that he wanted to ‘eliminate’ locations he saw as ‘temptations’ for his sex addiction

I just saw a tweet from a Canadian blogger that I follow that sums up the reaction quite well:-

"he's not racist, he just sees Asian women as inherent sexual temptations," is not the watertight argument you think it is

twitter.com/VeryBadLlama/status/1372247750063104001

SimonJT · 17/03/2021 18:43

@HermitsLife

I was thinking that too MrsPrachett when black men are killed by the police for sitting in their own car, a white man can commit pre meditated, cold blooded mass murder and get treated with pity by the police. And yes the many black brown and indigenous American women who go missing every year and nothing is done about it. It disgusts me.
Remember Dylan Roof, he murdered several black people, he was calmly arrested and taken to burger king on the way to the police station.

He is a neo-nazi, he intended to start a race war, he was not charged with terrorism.

Doyoumind · 17/03/2021 18:41

I haven't fully caught up on this story but when I read about it first thing today I felt it was an attack on women first and foremost and not related to ethnicity. The type of establishment could only mean women were the targets, and yet the reporting was around 'some of the victims being women' Angry and that is was primarily racially motivated. Seems like my reading of it was correct.

PotholeHellhole · 17/03/2021 18:40

There are no words that can express my rage.

Just none.

Where are the fucking libfems with their sex work is empowering now?

Where is their rage?

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HermitsLife · 17/03/2021 18:34

I was thinking that too MrsPrachett when black men are killed by the police for sitting in their own car, a white man can commit pre meditated, cold blooded mass murder and get treated with pity by the police. And yes the many black brown and indigenous American women who go missing every year and nothing is done about it. It disgusts me.

ThisIsSimplyBeyond · 17/03/2021 18:33

"White people have bad days, they’re ill, or pushed to the edge"

Simon, I think from the reporting, this guy has managed to get a hat-trick!

ThisIsSimplyBeyond · 17/03/2021 18:32

MrsT, weird that, isn't it. I wonder why...?

nocoolnamesleft · 17/03/2021 18:32

@WisnaeMe

Have you seen how many Canadian indigenous women are murdered a day?

and it doesn't even get investigated, it's a national disgrace.

Yes, the MMIW issue seems to be enormous, in the US and Canada. In the US there seem to be a lot of problems with the criminal men falling between jurisdictions, so justice is lacking to put it mildly.
SimonJT · 17/03/2021 18:32

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Dear god. Just saw the police chief bleating that it was a bad day... for the murderer. Poor lamb and a sex addiction and saw these places as temptation... for the love of god.
Its because hes white.

White people have bad days, they’re ill, or pushed to the edge.

Non-white people are terrorists, evil, a menace.

White people can break into capitol hill with weapons, black people can’t safely sleep in their own bed.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2021 18:26

Sex workers are used as a way to abuse (and murder) women with the knowledge that there are even fewer consequences than there would otherwise be.

Just as an aside, yet another live, male, white suspect. Never shot by police, are they?

toffeebutterpopcorn · 17/03/2021 18:26

Dear god. Just saw the police chief bleating that it was a bad day... for the murderer. Poor lamb and a sex addiction and saw these places as temptation... for the love of god.

WisnaeMe · 17/03/2021 18:05

It's an attack on all Women, but the law then decides who is worthy of an investigation.

Disgusting

WisnaeMe · 17/03/2021 18:02

Have you seen how many Canadian indigenous women are murdered a day?

and it doesn't even get investigated, it's a national disgrace.

Juliesipadwillcallyouback · 17/03/2021 18:01

Yes, I have seen quite a lot about the rise in hate crime against Asian people in America. Lots of people speaking out about it on social media Sad

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2021 18:00

And let's not entertain the bullshit sex addiction nonsense on here at least.

nocoolnamesleft · 17/03/2021 18:00

It does seem likely that these poor women were the victims of both rampant misogyny and poisonous racism. Agree about hate crime.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2021 17:59

@SimonJT

Asian hate crimes have increased by 115% in the States in the last year.

Recently an 89 year old Chinese woman was slapped and set on fire in Brooklyn.

The increase in racism and attacks particularly on Asian Americans is dreadful.

So is the increase in misogyny and sex-based attacks. But that aspect is being completely ignored.

I'd love to know what the proportion of Johns in the Atlanta police force is and whether male reluctance to address sex work violence is linked. Male police officers seem to treat sex workers as either utterly irrelevant and disposable or contemptuous.

EsmaCannonball · 17/03/2021 17:54

There have been several mass shootings targeting women in North America that have barely dented the news, in a way you know just wouldn't happen if it were any other group. There was one in a bank a year or two ago, a couple in gym classes, a couple in salons, and one in a plus-size clothes store, deemed a 'robbery gone wrong.' How wrong does a robbery have to go to make you shoot six women execution-style? In what universe is that written off as 'one of those things' and not counted as a hate crime?

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