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Multiple women murdered in Atlanta

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PotholeHellhole · 17/03/2021 03:08

I've just come across this:

www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/at-least-four-asian-women-shot-dead-at-two-day-spas-in-atlanta/ar-BB1eEUq4

But the update suggests six Asian women across multiple locations, plus one white woman and a white man. I'm not sure that Asian in the US means the same ethnicity it does here, but regardless, that's women of a particular group targeted. It can't be a coincidence.

This is horrendous.

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BelleHathor · 18/03/2021 19:41

Atlanta is the 14th city in the USA for human trafficking on an industrial scale.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_trafficking_in_Georgia_(U.S._state)
Local law enforcement will not investigate this properly as it will likely lead to powerful people being involved, that's why they are focusing on race and not misogyny, shining a light on the hatred of women would mean explaining why so many women and children are being trafficked. Campaigners have written laws that legislatures have failed (ignored?) to pass.

Multiple women murdered in Atlanta
Multiple women murdered in Atlanta
PotholeHellhole · 18/03/2021 19:40

@MoltenLasagne

On the BM thread I've seen posters say that people are calling on black people to be better allies to Asian Americans. I'm absolutely astounded by that.

Murderer and offensive police officers are white, but sure let's look to the black community to fix this shit.

They fucking what?

White bloke. White gynephobic racist bloke! This is not even on a single black American's head, never mind the black community.

Excuse me while I scream some more.

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OvaHere · 18/03/2021 19:39

I fear this kind of overt mass targeting of women is going to become a more frequent thing. It's like the serial killers of 70s and terroristic tactics of the noughties melded together somehow into a new kind of horror.

TartrazineCustard · 18/03/2021 19:33

@MoltenLasagne

On the BM thread I've seen posters say that people are calling on black people to be better allies to Asian Americans. I'm absolutely astounded by that.

Murderer and offensive police officers are white, but sure let's look to the black community to fix this shit.

I've not seen examples of that about this incident (and if I did, I agree it would be horrendous). There is a bit of history concerning tensions between Black and Asian communities in some parts of the US, though - there's been some news stories recently about it. This is one I was reading recently in the NY Times - is this where that sentiment was coming from? (I agree it's nothing to do with the mass murder in Atlanta.) www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/opinion/asian-american-violence-race.html
FlaviaAlbiaWantsLangClegBack · 18/03/2021 19:23

I only found this story after I went looking because someone I follow on Instagram had posted about it. It's horrendous.

And sympathy from the police?! Those poor women deserve justice, not someome pretending "she made him do it" is a sentiment anyone should be anything other than horrified by.

MoltenLasagne · 18/03/2021 19:20

On the BM thread I've seen posters say that people are calling on black people to be better allies to Asian Americans. I'm absolutely astounded by that.

Murderer and offensive police officers are white, but sure let's look to the black community to fix this shit.

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2021 19:10

Quicker, sorry

MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2021 19:10

These aren't the right kind of victims and I wonder if their families will want their details out there because of prejudice so this will be forgotten even yuck we than normal.

There's a thread on Black Mumsnetters about it too. But is it on the main boards or do only feminists and/or black women care?

MildredPuppy · 18/03/2021 18:59

Those poor women and some poor reporting. I struggled to find this on bbc news today.

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PotholeHellhole · 18/03/2021 02:34

It's like fish being asked to identify water, except it's not water, it's misogyny. They can't see it, can they?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2021 02:11

hatred of women is surely worth a mention...

And yet no one has. It's very strange.

NiceGerbil · 18/03/2021 01:54

Have looked at BBC and answered my own question.

'Officials cannot yet confirm if the attack, in which six Asian women were killed, was racially motivated. Four victims were named on Wednesday.

The suspect faces multiple counts of murder as well as aggravated assault.

Cherokee County Sheriff Frank Reynolds said the suspect may have been a patron and claimed to have a "sex addiction".'

Well then. He killed women. Racism may well have been a motive but hatred of women is surely worth a mention...

NiceGerbil · 18/03/2021 01:51

Sorry NRTFT.

Saw on the news 2 day spas and a massage parlour.

I'm not American so I don't know. A massage parlour in the UK is a brothel.

Was this man targeting prostitutes of a certain ethnicity? Or maybe prostitutes and the ethnicity is over represented in that area?

Or a racist incel type?

Anyone know the answer on USA lingo re brothels?

Forkorspoon · 18/03/2021 01:39

@WisnaeMe

Have you seen how many Canadian indigenous women are murdered a day?

and it doesn't even get investigated, it's a national disgrace.

This is so true. Look at how long Robert pickton got away with it before it was investigated.
MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2021 01:35

The excuse boils down to "I killed them to stop me raping them".

It does, doesn't it? And they both involve believing women are things. Not humans.

PotholeHellhole · 18/03/2021 01:14

Even if they weren't, legally speaking, trafficked, I doubt any of them were there because they decided it would be more fun than their back-up option of a lucrative career in accountacy with regular hours.

Those poor women.

The excuse boils down to "I killed them to stop me raping them". That's not an excuse!

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MrsTerryPratchett · 18/03/2021 01:08

This is a great example of women who 'aren't like us' so don't get protests. I really hope they do get protests.

I keep wondering if anyone will check if they were trafficked. I hope so but I doubt it.

Thecatonthemat · 18/03/2021 01:05

Are any women over there out on the streets protesting about the killing of these women? Terrorism against women ... racist and misogynistic certainly. Great employment opportunities eh?

Alicethruthelookingglass · 17/03/2021 23:45

Years ago on the old GC reddit there was a woman from that area who posted some stuff vis a vis gangs staking out prostitution territories in a very violent manner with some links to newspaper articles about it. She either got booted at some point or pulled her stuff and left because I can't find her posts anymore, but Atlanta sounded like a grim place to be a prostitute.

PotholeHellhole · 17/03/2021 22:02

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg

Weirdly, I can't seem to quote posts that contain quotes. I think this is from post #48:

Yeah, MN only supports quote trees of one quote. It's not you, it's MN.

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Cloud1921 · 17/03/2021 21:47

@toffeebutterpopcorn

Dear god. Just saw the police chief bleating that it was a bad day... for the murderer. Poor lamb and a sex addiction and saw these places as temptation... for the love of god.
This is disgusting.

An example of how men's violence is explained away.

It their victims had been men we wouldn't have heard this kind of justification.

I fear this is a heartbreaking example of where misogyny and racism are intertwined and the poor women who fell victim to this man will likely be denied proper justice because of it too.

I don't comment much, but I've read a few posts from black OPs over the last few days about the intersection of misogyny and racism that have really made me think. I feel like examples like these really highlight the points they have been making, particularly when you view the reporting of this incident in comparison to one with a different type of female victim. (I know they occurred in different countries but just the language used is stark, the lack of focus on the victims etc)

Ive probably explained myself poorly, but I hope you get my drift.

bd67thSaysReinstateLangCleg · 17/03/2021 20:45

Weirdly, I can't seem to quote posts that contain quotes. I think this is from post #48:

Yes, the MMIW issue seems to be enormous, in the US and Canada. In the US there seem to be a lot of problems with the criminal men falling between jurisdictions, so justice is lacking to put it mildly.

Yes. The Major Crimes Act means that tribes don't have jurisdiction over certain serious crimes, including murder, that happen on their lands and to their people, and the FBI are too racist and misogynist to prioritise investigating murders and missing person cases when the victim is an indigenous woman.

One might argue that weregeld is an inadequate sentence for murder, but surely an investigation leading to a conviction and weregeld is better than no investigation at all? The tribes can't even investigate to protect their own women, how is this not racism codified into law?

Interesting twist in that article downplaying racial aspect and totally ignoring hatred of women by changing emphasis to his hatred of his own sex addiction.

In order to consider Asian women a temptation, one must first exoticise and dehumanise them for being Asian and female. It's misogynoir, plain and simple.

As a Christian man, if he actually hated his own sex addiction and attempts at therapy had failed, surely he'd cut his penis off instead of killing others? Matthew 18:8 and 18:29 and Mark 9:43 would indicate so. This is not the action of a Christian man struggling with an addiction, it is the action of a racist misogynist.

MrsTerryPratchett · 17/03/2021 20:02

It's just the the arseholes who harass women wearing veils in the street. Even if you're stupid enough to think 3.4 billion muslims are a threat to you, the people who are pretty much never going to be are the women. But yeah, harass them because it's easier.

WarriorN · 17/03/2021 20:01

This time last year a cleaner at work who is Philippino was badly physically attacked on the way home. Racially motivated, linked to Cv.

I suspect she was set upon also as she was female.

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