Living in wokesville

FKATondelayo · 18/03/2021 13:00

I hear you OP.

I'm in 'be kind' lentil-weaving, pronoun-brandishing north London and work in a woke sector.

I am so happy I have some terven friends IRL - and even my TWAW friends are fortunately rational and open to discussion - but I have yet to find a feminist group in my area.

UsedUpUsername · 18/03/2021 12:07

including the 80's manga classic - Stop!! Hibari-kun!

Username really does check out 😂

I know they do ‘gender-bending’ in a very playful way, but I recall that trans people are required to have sex reassignment surgery (sterilised, in fact) before they can be recognised as the opposite sex and they can’t have underage children, which ... says a lot about their views on it ....

AdHominemNonSequitur · 17/03/2021 18:41

According to my weeb daughter,

There are multiple genres of manga/anime devoted to gender defying characters including otokono tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OtokonokoGenre

including the 80's manga classic - Stop!! Hibari-kun!

nickymanchester · 17/03/2021 18:22

What possibly be the aspects of Japanese popular culture that are so attractive?

Often the girls are portrayed as being very youthful and with large eyes.

I can only imagine that these people believe that these sort of images in some way embody "being a woman"

tobee · 17/03/2021 17:40

@GNCQ

Eh? You're saying you use your real name as your Mumsnet username?

nauticant · 17/03/2021 17:25

What possibly be the aspects of Japanese popular culture that are so attractive?

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Dispiritingday · 17/03/2021 17:09

I'm not too sure that they're that worried about appropriation.. this made me smile.

Its an effort at times to keep my children from going down the gender stereotype route in their thinking . That's perhaps most disappointing and will probably be a bigger issue as they progress through secondary school.

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GNCQ · 17/03/2021 07:47

Eh? You're saying you use your real name as your Mumsnet username?

Hibari · 17/03/2021 06:47

@UsedUpUsername

Man, the TRAs not only use anime avatars but they also appropriate Japanese names too 🙄 it’s not like Japan is trans-friendly either. I don’t get it

I've had it for 34 years so I've been appropriating it for quite a while if that's what I'm doing.

UsedUpUsername · 17/03/2021 06:45

@ContessaDiPulpo

I get you OP. I'm a lefty liberal (hell, I'm even vegan), but also operate on the basis of science and logic. I can't say that I believe people can change sex, and I am of the opinion that gender is a word to describe whether a person's personality matches the stereotypes attributed to their sex. I am also vehemently in favour of single sex spaces for both sexes. This appears to be a minority view amongst my friends

I don’t think it would be minority opinion even among the left if our arguments were given equal time and weight. It’s very persuasive once you hear it from unbiased sources.

UsedUpUsername · 17/03/2021 06:42

I'm not too sure that they're that worried about appropriation

True 😂😂😂

ContessaDiPulpo · 17/03/2021 06:40

I get you OP. I'm a lefty liberal (hell, I'm even vegan), but also operate on the basis of science and logic. I can't say that I believe people can change sex, and I am of the opinion that gender is a word to describe whether a person's personality matches the stereotypes attributed to their sex. I am also vehemently in favour of single sex spaces for both sexes. This appears to be a minority view amongst my friends

aweegc · 17/03/2021 06:33

@UsedUpUsername

Man, the TRAs not only use anime avatars but they also appropriate Japanese names too 🙄 it’s not like Japan is trans-friendly either. I don’t get it

I'm not too sure that they're that worried about appropriation..

UsedUpUsername · 17/03/2021 06:11

Man, the TRAs not only use anime avatars but they also appropriate Japanese names too 🙄 it’s not like Japan is trans-friendly either. I don’t get it

lughnasadh · 17/03/2021 05:53

Hmm @Hibari, but do me the service , given my posting history, of assuming I'm acting in good faith.

I'm open, either way. The biological process?

I'm a chemist, for what it's worth .

torquewench · 17/03/2021 05:45

Awwww come ON, Hibari. Just pause The Terror for a while and share your superior knowledge with us. Pleeeease??? And why is the question stupid?? I dont know the answer either.

Hibari · 17/03/2021 05:37

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Hibari · 17/03/2021 05:34

@JohnRokesmith

I kind of like Hibari posting, because Hibari provides some great examples of how people think when they mistakenly believe that they are liberal left-wingers, whilst actually holding views which more appropriately place them on the far right.

Someone's projecting.

UsedUpUsername · 17/03/2021 05:30

@Dispiritingday

I chose to raise my children somewhere inclusive where others have similar values etc. I work with some lovely people in a very leftie job. Mostly I love it but....occasionally it's wearing! I would love to find a local women's/feminist group but all are TWAW. Having a grumble!

I absolutely get it. I share many of the same personal interests with ‘the woke’ but not many of their values.

And I’m honestly wondering if I should put my kids in a religious school even though we are atheists 😞

JohnRokesmith · 17/03/2021 05:07

I kind of like Hibari posting, because Hibari provides some great examples of how people think when they mistakenly believe that they are liberal left-wingers, whilst actually holding views which more appropriately place them on the far right.

notyourhandmaid · 17/03/2021 04:57

The 'report' button is the second on the top right-hand margin, for anyone who needs this info.

lughnasadh · 17/03/2021 04:46

@Hibari.you always take the same line on threads like this.

Just to be clear, will you set out what you believe to be the biological process by which humans can change sex?

oldwomanwhoruns · 17/03/2021 04:43

for you @Dispiritingday . One can still be socialist without actually letting the wolf in, out of some nutty misplaced kindness.
Keep looking for friends, we all need them. They don't have to share our politics, although I would draw the line at TWAW too.
Keep banging on about women's prisons, that may get through the wall of denial?

Hibari · 17/03/2021 03:47

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Dispiritingday · 16/03/2021 22:15

Thanks for comments. I'm rather wary of expressing myself badly by posting more!

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