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Reclaim These Streets have been captured.

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stumbledin · 16/03/2021 17:55

It was inevitable of course. Whatever the original intentions of the local women who set up the facebook event page, given the huge response they have had, it was just to tempting for those who always want to be in control not to take over.

So now there is a Reclaim These Streets facebook group www.facebook.com/groups/282187170119807/ which of course loads of women have joined. And although it is meant to be about sharing your experiences, your ideas, your whatever, turns out the group admins will not let your voice be heard if you dont express yourself in an approved way.

No need to detail what that is, but once again the vanguard of well schooled stonewall students are definitely in charge.

And of course this also applies to the now in excess of half a million pounds raisde for women's projects. It has been decreed - by knee jerk tweet that only trans inclusive groups will get women.

Tough luck on those providing women only services as legally allowed under the EA. So rape crisis helplines, women refuges, many BME groups will be deemed not worthy of financial support.

How come there are never enough mumsnetters out and about on facebook or wherever to capture groups? Sad

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 27/03/2021 09:11

No mention of the problem actually being men's violence against women.

That really is a glaring omission isn't it.

stumbledin · 27/03/2021 00:56

Reclaim These Streets: Statement Of Purpose & Call For Policy Action work in progress document.

#ReclaimTheseStreets was founded in the wake of Sarah Everard’s murder, to back action to make our streets, our homes, our workplaces, and our country a safer place for all women.

Ms Everard’s killing again highlighted the scale of violence and harassment against women, which exist both in the UK and globally. A recent study by United Nations Women UK, revealed 97% of women aged 18 – 24 have experienced sexual harassment, and 80% of women overall.

Increased policing and, infuriatingly, self-imposed restrictions on women’s freedoms are often presented as the only viable solutions to ending violence and harassment. This is not the case. Moreover, such solutions fail to tackle the material and social roots of the problem.

We support lawmakers who recognise more far-reaching action is necessary.

We support Zarah Sultana MP’s letter last week to the Prime Minister (co-signed by more than fifty other MPs and Lords). Because of this, we are standing with her and other MPs, to call on the Government to:

Ratify the Istanbul Convention on preventing and combating violence against women and domestic violence.

Ratify the International Labour Organisation’s Convention No. 190, recognising the right of everyone to a world of work free from gender-based violence and harassment.

Reimagine sex and relationship education in schools, colleges, and universities to incorporate concrete guidance on healthy relationships, consent and sexuality.

Introduce mandatory training in schools and workplaces, such as bystander-intervention training.

Strengthen financial support for women and girls to address poverty and economic insecurity, including tackling the gender pay gap, increasing the national minimum wage to the real living wage.

Introduce reporting tools in schools and workplaces to map where incidents of sexual harassment and violence are occurring.

Reverse the last decade’s cuts to women’s services, including women’s refuges and specialist services for Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic (BAME) women.

Actively fund victim-centred services, including domestic violence charities.

Invest in treatments for survivors of domestic and sexual violence, including long-term mental health support.

We also agree with and support Harriet Harman MP’s proposal to amend the law to:

Prevent rape complainants from being examined on their sexual history in court. This change is a step which could encourage more victims of rape to come forward.

Make predatory car-to-kerb harassment of women and schoolgirls illegal.

We agree with Jess Philips MP, that the Police, Crime, Courts and Sentencing Bill, currently in Parliament, does not do enough to improve how violence against women is treated and handled by our justice system. We are supporting Ms Philips call for the government to:

Listen, act and work cross party, to bring about the vital changes the bill needs to better protect women including strategies to tackle street harassment; improve how courts deal with cases of sexual violence and minimum sentences for rape.

We also support the government’s move last week to ask the police to record crimes of violence motivated by a person’s sex or gender on an experimental basis; and join Stella Creasy MP in calling on the government to:

Legally class violence and harassment motivated by a person’s sex or gender as a hate crime.

What members of the group can do right now to help:

Write to your MP (details of how to do this can be found here. This linked post includes an email template you can adapt as well as instructions on how to look up who your MP and find contact details).

Sign one of the parliamentary petitions Reclaim These Streets is supporting. The list can be found here.

Share this post and talk to your friends, family, and co-workers about the twelve actions we are supporting.

(Well they did ask for it to be shared, so I am sure they dont mind it being posted to mumsnet!)

No mention of women organising together

No mention of the problem actually being men's violence against women.

No concept of women as autonomous human beings but merely as passive supplicants who if they ask nicely might get some crumbs thrown their way

If this was how the Women's Liberation Movement started there would be no Rape Crisis Centres, no Women's Aid and so on.

They make the WEP look radical.

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stumbledin · 27/03/2021 00:50

Its possible to visit the page and read what has been allowed to be published and like comments without joining the group.

The censors have been so effective it looks like only 1 or 2 new posts all day!

They dont plan events they are all about lobbying. I think the 1,000+ who have joined must feel everything is just evaporating away.

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Jillly · 27/03/2021 00:12

Im still there.
Ive not really commented much, mostly likes.
I'm thinking to become a mole when I'm the only one with any sense thats not booted or blocked.

Thecatonthemat · 26/03/2021 23:59

Angelo Is anything useful or interesting being planned. How on earth so you manage to keep mouth shut with all the provocation? Still let us know from time to time if you have cracked yet!

stumbledin · 26/03/2021 23:52

SunsetBeetch - will have a think about this and see if there is any other feedback.

But think it should be clear it is FWR Reclaim These Streets

And maybe I it would be over complicate to try and separate off expereinces from suggests for solutions.

If it gets under way and becomes very busy easy enough to set up sub threads.

Look out for Reclaim These Streets - The Uncensored Version!

Anyone who just wants to go ahead please do.

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RachelRoth · 26/03/2021 22:34

the ‘passive aggressive’ laughing emoji is now enough to get people banned. Shocking behaviour.

SunsetBeetch · 26/03/2021 21:21

@stumbledin

I was wondering if we should have a Reclaim These Streets group / thread on here.

And not saying there should be rules, but do you think the priority would be to share experiences, and then after that discuss possible solutions.

Seeing this as focusing on streets / public places rather than the total life experience for women of male violence, not only in public spaces, but at home, at work.

I think that's a great idea.
AngeloMysterioso · 26/03/2021 21:19

@Thecatonthemat

Anyone from here still on the FB page or have we just been too outspoken? Guerrilla action is the only solution !
I’m still in, but only because I’ve managed to keep my gob shut so far! I daren’t comment, I’d be banned immediately.
stumbledin · 26/03/2021 20:15

I was wondering if we should have a Reclaim These Streets group / thread on here.

And not saying there should be rules, but do you think the priority would be to share experiences, and then after that discuss possible solutions.

Seeing this as focusing on streets / public places rather than the total life experience for women of male violence, not only in public spaces, but at home, at work.

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Thecatonthemat · 26/03/2021 19:45

Anyone from here still on the FB page or have we just been too outspoken? Guerrilla action is the only solution !

Foolingaround · 26/03/2021 19:29

@ValancyRedfern

I briefly braved the Facebook group then backed out swiftly. People agreeing with posts until the poster is discovered to have 'terf' sympathies. People being blocked for being 'terfy', despite the fact their own rules say not to use terf. Fun times.
Same, really disappointed.
ValancyRedfern · 26/03/2021 19:28

I briefly braved the Facebook group then backed out swiftly. People agreeing with posts until the poster is discovered to have 'terf' sympathies. People being blocked for being 'terfy', despite the fact their own rules say not to use terf. Fun times.

Jillly · 26/03/2021 17:58

Love Mr Menno,
'What is wrong with these people??'
My daily mantra atm.

Feelinghothothottoday · 26/03/2021 17:11

They stifle debate too. I haven’t said anything transphobic on there yet I questioned one thing today and now I’m blocked from that page. Their loss. I was quite willing to sign petitions and do some legwork for them. Meant to be inclusive yet infact is exclusive.

SunsetBeetch · 26/03/2021 16:48

The drawing at the end of this video is excellent. Also Mr Menno says that these groups "would rather support a man claiming womanhood than a woman defending womanhood" which is spot on.

SunsetBeetch · 26/03/2021 15:53

Ooh I like the sound of Radfem Reclaim.

stumbledin · 26/03/2021 15:51

Is this the right Facebook group? Because this seems to be quite a balanced approach.

Its not balanced as trans rights are always allowed to take precedence. This means that no GC views can be expressed.

And the admins, who after all only represent themselves, may think petitions are important but most people dont.

They really need to work about are they facebook admins, which apart from outright racism, etc., means you dont editorialise, or are they the leaders of a form of political activism.

If it is the latter they need to spell out why they think petitions are a priority, and conflating Kill the Bill with making streets safe for women from individual men.

In the meantime they have a responsibility to realise a lot of women thought it was somewhere safe to come and discuss experiences of violence against them by men.

The only good thing, apart from London which seems to have been amazingly docile and accepting direction, is that over 50 RTS groups have started up around the country - including one called Radfem Reclaim!

I am sure some of the smaller groups will have the same problems but in trying to be upbeat if it puts women in touch with each other locally, and not wanting to speak to soon, but if lock down is going to gradually ease an opportunity for local women to meet up. ie time on facebook to find out how much you ave in commone before risking meeting face to face!

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ThisIsSimplyBeyond · 26/03/2021 13:53

Yep, the rules are balanced - certain posters there are less so! Grin

SunsetBeetch · 26/03/2021 13:23

Is this the right Facebook group? Because this seems to be quite a balanced approach.

www.facebook.com/groups/282187170119807/permalink/291701325835058/

ThisIsSimplyBeyond · 26/03/2021 11:56

"An example is that they put up a post of 8 petitions and only a few have signed"

I only sign a petition if I think it is going to succeed. Largely, petitions are pointless and solve fuck all. Slacktivism and virtue signalling at its finest

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/03/2021 10:05

Wasn’t there a transwomen who killed or raped someone because of the stress (?) of being trans?

There has been more than one case of violence where that has been advanced as a partial defence by the defending barrister.

Feelinghothothottoday · 26/03/2021 09:59

Oh well I’ve been blocked. Just as well really the arguing was taking up too much of my time. As I’ve said all along. The idea is great and if it helps women feel safer then great.

EyesOpening · 26/03/2021 09:51

Wasn’t there a transwomen who killed or raped someone because of the stress (?) of being trans? I’m wondering what would happen if Sarah’s killer decided to go down that route, would she not have died by male violence against women then? Would this whole thing RTS is built on (Sarah, not VAWG) be null and void? “As you were ladies, nothing to see here”

NettleTea · 26/03/2021 08:59

hopefully the more that trans doctrine takes over, women will come to see that it doesnt have their interests at heart - that they came to the group for women's issues, because of the death of a woman, and the many deaths and sexual harrassments of nearly all women, and gradually the fog will lift and they will see the capture