Is there any such thing as gender identity?

This has nothing to with the gender identities of people who do not have a DSD.

Hang on, aren’t sex characteristics decided by the chromosomes an individual has? One stems from the other, they don’t coexist separately?

American healthcare requires more regulation

Just to be clear, my meaning here is that it isn’t sufficiently regulated.

Delving into personal anecdata. I have family members in their late fifties living in the US. They are on a cocktail of drugs for heart health and other things. They talk about their daily "meds" as if it is normal and good. Anyone with eyes can see that they needed to be prescribed weight loss, exercise and vegetables.

If prescribing in the US were impartial then they wouldn't advertise prescription drugs on TV. Never mind regulation, the pharmaceutical companies would realise it didn't affect sales and would spend their money elsewhere. That is clearly not what happens.

You don’t need to be a conspiracy theorist to notice that American healthcare requires more regulation and that prescriptions are sometimes driven by business interests.

Just look at the Opioid crisis.

Honestly I don’t think this would ever be comparable to the Oxycontin scandal, but I really wouldn’t be looking to the US for ethical guidance.

Pharmaceutical companies in America are entirely philanthropic and would never fund research which 'came to a conclusion' that made them massive amounts of profit at the expense of peoples health.

Didn't Ben Goldacre write a whole book on the topic of dubious research in the pharma industry? I guess we should tell him he's a nutty tin foil hat wearer.

Gender identity is a sex characteristic.

Again, you need a lot of chutzpah to suggest this on a site largely dealing with the idea that some humans might have to push another human out of their vagina.

Thanks for translating.

If sex and gender identity are separate then what is the relevance of DSDs to trans?

The answer to my question above was revealing. That Father Ted image of Dreams vs Reality is needed.

Gonads are a sex characteristic. Yes.
Gender identity is a sex characteristic. No, even if it exists, it is not a sex characteristic.
They are different sex characteristics. No
DSDs often involve a combination of sex characteristics that aren't usually found together like XY chromosomes with a vagina. Yes. NHS link for lurkers www.nhs.uk/conditions/differences-in-sex-development/
Similarly, a trans woman typically has reproductive organs typically seen in men Not typically, always. A person can only be a transwoman if they are male sex.
But a gender identity typically seen in women. If gender identity is real

I will observe one thing about gender identity.

I know nothing about the sex of most of the posters on MN, but there is something very stereotypically male about telling posters on a site that largely focuses on pregnancy and childbirth that sex is an inconsequential irrelevance.

Having said that I know of posters who are definitely female who don’t hesitate to post forthright and unpopular views so 🤷

Sorry. Forgot this section

Letters to the editor by twelve authors, including ourselves, led to a reanalysis of the data and a corrected conclusion stating that in fact the data showed no improvement after surgical treatment. The following is the background to our published letter and a summary of points of the critical analysis of the study.

Also, has this been posted? Apologies if it has. Mind you it is a useful reminder for anyone who hasn’t rtft.

www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2020/09/71296/?fbclid=IwAR1qhY36S81bxLIL-Gm04MemcwA8R0OBpG5iCy_CrUM6tGttrO98Un-WLTE

This is an article about it but the article has links to follow.

A major correction has been issued by the American Journal of Psychiatry. The authors and editors of an October 2019 study, titled “Reduction in mental health treatment utilization among transgender individuals after gender-affirming surgeries: a total population study,” have retracted its primary conclusion.

Has this been posted here yet? I just discovered it on twitter.

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0149763421000804

twitter.com/lise_eliot/status/1373315409475072001?s=21

This is the summary given by one of the authors.

Men have bigger bodies and average 11% larger brains. But other M/F differences are a PRODUCT OF SIZE, NOT SEX.

implies that you could resolve all DSDs to either male or female, when the very definition of many DSDs that they involve having sexual characteristics of both male and female.

Your sentence describes a binary - male and female. There is no third sex.

when the very definition of many DSDs that they involve having sexual characteristics of both male and female.

This is 100% false.

www.researchgate.net/publication/309155550_Transgender_Mental_Health_and_Older_People_An_Appreciative_Approach_Towards_Working_Together

A major focus of transitioning is the retention of identity whilst changing gender. Likewise, the focus of those who care for people with dementia should be to support the individual to maintain their identity in the face of declining cognitive and functional abilities. The groups considered the implications of dementia for a transgender individual; “What if I forget who I have become and think I am who I used to be?”

At least two of the authors of this paper are transgender and are featured in the guide, which says:

A person may not recall their current gender. They may see themselves as being pre-transition resulting in heightened disorientation and anxiety. They may be surprised to see the physical changes that have occurred

www.wales.nhs.uk/sitesplus/documents/861/Supporting%20Me%20Transgender%20%20Dementia%20-%20final.pdf

So if those gene variants (there was no control group) are a true indicator, what of the transpeople without those indicators? Are they a different type of trans person?

Should this be used to assess who is and who isn’t ?

But tobacco companies did lie and I think oil companies are also doing so ?

I thought anyway that trans people had no identifiable characteristics so intersex /DSD is irrelevant?

Yay - I like the conspiracy theories best of all.

Pharmaceutical companies in America are entirely philanthropic and would never fund research which 'came to a conclusion' that made them massive amounts of profit at the expense of peoples health. 😆

Tobacco companies have never funded research that concluded smoking was entirely healthy for you and made them massive profits. Nothing to see here, move along please, its a conspiracy theory. This is for the good of humanity, completely irrelevant that we will make massive profits from this at the expense of peoples lives.

but there are very many more DSDs than that.

And we keep telling you that with modern techniques, people with medical conditions can be identified as either male or female.

But it doesn’t suit your agenda.

Intersex people have asked you not to claim that sex is a simple binary:

Let me fix that for you.

Some Intersex people have asked you not to claim that sex is a simple binary:

Some people with DSDs have asked to not have their bodies politicized to make a case for gender identity. I take it you choose to ignore those people. Because why? They are the wrong sort of people with DSDs.

The fact is, you cannot define sex as a spectrum without using people’s medical conditions. So you choose to ignore those who don’t wish to have their bodies politicized for your explanation.