M&S, a safe space

I'd also like to know if they have definitely withdrawn the policy of allowing men into female changing cubicles if they say they id as women - I haven't seen anything on this since the original tweets and used to quite like my local M&S cafe

They haven’t, as far as I know.

I can’t show you because there are way too many threads to read through to find the last time it was made clear.

However I’d be very happy to be proven wrong!

Nink they have definitely withdrawn that policy. If they haven't then please show me. They were still bloody stupid in the first place, .

Message to people selling stuff - always look at your demographic and if you have teens, who comes with them and pays. Not rocket science

M & S is a classic example of the ideological hold that organisations like Stonewall can have over businesses. M & S cheerfully alienated many of their core female customer base in clear defiance of women's safety and child safeguarding because they chose to ally themselves with organisations who define women as bigots for wanting safe same sex spaces for bra fittings etc. As a business it makes no sense to openly piss off so many customers - yet they did. It was a curious business decision I'd have thought (not being an economist)?
The impact of the pandemic and the closing of changing rooms have no doubt blurred some of the impact of this or I expect we'd have seen a significant number of cases where the secret filmers / upskirters etc took advantage of this open invitation to them.
But at the core of this was their decision to obey Stonewall's directives about mixed sex changing rooms and lose customers. And that's what they chose to do.

Why would you assume the toilets are women only, if the changing rooms are for anyone who cares to swan in?

There were male and female toilets last time I was in, and locking cubicles. Plus I have IBS so sometimes a girl's gotta go. But you make a good point.

I didn't know this about the M&S changing rooms. Thanks for highlighting this as it means I (and my daughter) won't be using the store anymore (actually, I will still go in for a poo sometimes as they're the only store in the retail park that has customer toilets).

@activitythree I know we're not only scared at night, but it is more likely.

I think they mean it's 'emotionally safe' for men. Not that it's 'physically safe' for women.

This neatly shows what is wrong with such a lot of inclusion. It is not possible to be 'safe' and 'for everyone'. Because 'safety' quite often means keeping people out.

What exactly makes it 'safe'?

Don’t M&S have a biological male working in the bra fitting section in one store?

This anecdote is rather appropriate in today's climate:
During World War One, the Liverpool Echo reported (perhaps fancifully) that a student travelling to London in a women-only compartment had sat alongside two nuns. On the way, the young woman noticed that one of the sisters "disclosed a masculine wrist". The student informed the guard and when they reached their destination, the nuns "found themselves under arrest as dangerous German spies".

Thanks, DdraigGoch That made me laugh out loud! I wonder if it is true?

@Msgrumpytrousers
Best rant I’ve seen for a while
I’ll be pinching ‘vacuous corporate bletherings’. Just perfect for these SM brain fart posts.

Thanks eggy.

In this training; did they state who "they" were?

YABU to think women are only scared at night.

Come into our safe space (and while you’re at it but some slacks and an expensive pie, pleeeeese).

Apologise if someone else has said this already (expect many have)

NC

M&S security. The training for this was a two sentence conversation yesterday afternoon - support them and call the police.

It's just bandwagon jumping - not impressed.

Yes, because M&S will be open at night, when the streets are quiet and you're feeling alone and scared! 🙄

www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-34061094

This anecdote is rather appropriate in today's climate:
During World War One, the Liverpool Echo reported (perhaps fancifully) that a student travelling to London in a women-only compartment had sat alongside two nuns. On the way, the young woman noticed that one of the sisters "disclosed a masculine wrist". The student informed the guard and when they reached their destination, the nuns "found themselves under arrest as dangerous German spies".

You're right to raise this as an issue Glo.

It's women who are out on the shop floor and out shopping.

M&S et al should stop with the signalling and do more with protecting their core staff/customers.

Safe for men ID-ing as women to get in to women's changing rooms. You've cooked your goose M & S.

X post.

Thanks for clarification on the Instagram post Glo.

We need more answers from M&S.

Retail workers have it hard enough with virtue signalling nonsense that may actually put them in harm's way.