What does CIS mean?

Oh love you are muddled

Transmen are not men but perceived as female , they are transmen which means they have to be female or they could not be called trans

Because the words don't mean what you think they mean. Make, female ,man , woman it's not about gender but sex

Is English your first language? Or did you grow up outside of the mainstream and miss out on sex education ?

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

Nope

Again with these binaries. Why does everything have to be a strict X / not-X binary?

Your world view is so blinkered. Can't you just accept that we're trans-queer and don't fit into your transnormative gender boxes?

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis".

Not to me it doesn't, because I consider it a loaded term which presupposes my belief in an ideology I don't believe in, so I'll stick with the first one, thanks.

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

It does to you as you are concerned with more people using it.

It doesn’t to others as it’s offensive.

Trans men are male

Jesus

Words have meaning. You think any woman who has declared herself to be trans had a body capable of producing small mobile gametes that can fertilize an egg? What magic is this?

How would you tell me you're not trans?

I just say "I'm a woman". It has a clear meaning understood by everyone outside of SocialMediaLand. It's really not that complicated.

Sometimes I have heard a transwoman on the radio and only at the interview realised that they were a transwoman (ie I heard them as male, not as female), and I think there are lots of situations where if somebody doesn't signal that they wish to be responded to in a particular way, but that's not the same thing is it?

Trans men are male, but they are perceived as female by others, usually for a significant portion of their lives.

Goodness, why is that? And why, as you said, do they experience "dysphoria about being female"?

I dunno why I’m bothering really but

Would you ever call a trans woman "male" or a "man" given that they have made it pretty clear they find that offensive

Man or male is not a made up word, and in contexts where sex is relevant is the correct descriptor for a man who has declared himself to be trans. No woman could declare herself to be a transwoman.

I personally call a transwoman a transwoman in the first instance

If they start to call me names , like cis, or bully me , telling me they belong in the female spaces of sports , telling me they are woman like me ,then I will have no reason to not to call them male, remind them of the privilege they are demonstrating

The only other time I will highlight that they are male is when people get their trans men and women muddled

What about if I said "could you introduce me to your trans friend" and you wanted to tell me that actually they weren't trans?

Er, you've answered this yourself? "Actually, my friend isn't trans."

What about if I said "could you introduce me to your trans friend" and you wanted to tell me that actually they weren't trans?

What if I said to you "I appreciate that trans women like yourself belong to an oppressed class." How would you tell me you're not trans?

I'm afraid that you have mistaken dysphoria about being female for dysphoria about what happens to females.

Oh so now trans "men" are female. But a while ago (possibly on a different thread) they were male according to you? Make your mind up.

But let's revisit this shizuku. Could you please confirm which it is? And why you made a distinction between women and FTM trans people on the sole basis of the type of dysphoria? Do you think FTM trans people are biologically male or female? It sounds like you are somewhat confused.

But this is NOT how cis is used. When it is used, it comes with a whole lot of baggage including assumptions of privilege. It comes with the whole of social justice theory strapped to its back. It acquires connotations which are offensive to people who may believe strongly in social justice, but think that Social Justice Theory is basically flawed.

What if I say I am a woman.

Which is what I will say and won’t change on.

"Do you typically ignore a large group of people who say a word is offensive?"

Would you ever call a trans woman "male" or a "man" given that they have made it pretty clear they find that offensive?

It's just the word for people who are not trans.

If I say I am not "cis", am I then trans? Or are women not allowed to define our own identity?

Do you typically ignore a large group of people who say a word is offensive?

It's not just a word for not trans

It means you have a gender identity aligned with that which you feel belongs to your sex.

The opposite of trans

So you are assuming an internal gender identity

Many women , probably more than half , feel that the gender expression expected if them is inconsistent with them. You could argue that makes them all trans not cis

But most women think that's unkind and demeaning to people with severe gender dysmorphia

And the same women tend to think it's unkind an demeaning to women to expect them to buy into any gender identity if they want their rights and needs as women to be met by society

So would I

It’s just the word for people who are not trans

Cor blimey, can you actually hear yourself and the privilege you’re displaying?