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Babysharkdoodoodood · 2021-03-15T23:34:34+00:00

I mean really? I was discussing (ranting) about this with DH today. Trying to explain why I'm a woman and not a cis female. Then he come out with this beauty (not being nasty): Doesn't it just mean Cunt In Situ? I was absolutely howling [grin] mainly because it's true

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:45

You can determine sex at embryo stage

Why is this even a cause for question?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:44

As previously discussed, I don't find that statement contradicts anything about what I have said. It's a lot of ideological special pleading, as a political open letter, mostly by people who aren't actually experts in the relevant fields.

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:44

@Beowulfa

How would you tell me you're not trans?

I just say "I'm a woman". It has a clear meaning understood by everyone outside of SocialMediaLand. It's really not that complicated.

A perfectly valid approach. Most trans women would say the same. I'm sure your conversation about trans people will flow smoothly from there.

midgedude · 17/03/2021 12:44

Good job it doesn't do that then isn't it ?

Please stop peddling the suicide myth

You don't seem to realise that telling trans people they are likely to feel suicidal drives suicidal thoughts?

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:43

Why isn’t sex chromosomes?

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:42

@Ereshkigalangcleg

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes.

Yes, some people think that Elvis didn't really die, or that the moon landings were faked. There is one reason only for sex in mammals. We can be as coy about it as we like but it's necessary to the the survival of all life. Gametes are the single essential factor in human reproduction. Females produce large gametes and males small. Without a fusion of each of these gametes, no human being has ever come into existence.

This is a statement signed by 2617 scientists including hundreds of biologists, physicians, geneticists, anatomists and several Nobel Prize winners:

not-binary.org/statement/?fbclid=IwAR29fQ9nHtgrIWGMSsSdefR_OWPeMuZEmei0G3oEC31bAP_FThbngykjjtU

"The proposal is in no way “grounded in science” as the administration claims. The relationship between sex chromosomes, genitalia, and gender identity is complex, and not fully understood. There are no genetic tests that can unambiguously determine gender, or even sex. Furthermore, even if such tests existed, it would be unconscionable to use the pretext of science to enact policies that overrule the lived experience of people’s own gender identities."

NecessaryScene1 · 17/03/2021 12:40

Does sex scare you?

It is very child-like isn't it. Freud and his ilk would have had a field day with some of this lot.

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:39

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:38

Or the reality faced by women and girls as a sex class due to their physically sexed bodies and social expectations around them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:37

None of this political posturing by TRAs has any bearing on the biological reality of male and female.

GCAcademic · 17/03/2021 12:36

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes. I appreciate that's a thing with GC types, but it's not a thing for everyone. Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define.

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

I don't think it's us that has the narrow view. 99.9% of the population understands what biological sex is, and how to recognise it. Even those who claim not to because they are speaking from a motivated position. I can assure you that none of the biologists in the university I work in think that sex is difficult to define.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:36

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes.

Yes, some people think that Elvis didn't really die, or that the moon landings were faked. There is one reason only for sex in mammals. We can be as coy about it as we like but it's necessary to the the survival of all life. Gametes are the single essential factor in human reproduction. Females produce large gametes and males small. Without a fusion of each of these gametes, no human being has ever come into existence.

vimtosogood · 17/03/2021 12:34

Why should a tiny minority get to decide what the overwhelming majority are called?

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:34

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

Do you accept chromosomes XX and XY are distinct and sex based?

Or how do you rationalise chromosomes

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:32

@Ereshkigalangcleg

No one dies if we acknowledge that people can't change sex. So that's ok then, isn't it?

At least this has biological reality as the base.

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:32

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

Trans men are male

Jesus

Words have meaning. You think any woman who has declared herself to be trans had a body capable of producing small mobile gametes that can fertilize an egg? What magic is this?

You have to remember that not everyone thinks that sex is solely about gametes. I appreciate that's a thing with GC types, but it's not a thing for everyone. Most scientists will tell you that sex is complex and quite difficult to define.

I mean, you do you - that's fine, but you narrow view, isn't representative of reality.

midgedude · 17/03/2021 12:32

And dies the sky fall in every time someone calls a transwoman male?

No

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:32

No one dies if we acknowledge that people can't change sex. So that's ok then, isn't it?

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:31

Would you tell someone to accept an offensive racial word because you literally see them as the same?

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:30

In your head yes. But you can’t speak for others.

Can you really not see that?

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:30

@MarshaBradyo

Right, and "Actually my friend isn't trans" means the same thing as "Actually my friend is cis"

It does to you as you are concerned with more people using it.

It doesn’t to others as it’s offensive.

It literally does.

MarshaBradyo · 17/03/2021 12:29

No one dies if you use very offensive words generally.

I still won’t accept it. And nor will many others women, tg.

Shizuku · 17/03/2021 12:28

@BernardBlackMissesLangCleg

I dunno why I’m bothering really but

Would you ever call a trans woman "male" or a "man" given that they have made it pretty clear they find that offensive

Man or male is not a made up word, and in contexts where sex is relevant is the correct descriptor for a man who has declared himself to be trans. No woman could declare herself to be a transwoman.

All words are made up.

In contexts where trans people and cis people are being discussed, "cis" is a correct descriptor for someone who isn't trans.

For example, watch feminist activist Patsy Stevenson using both "cis" and "trans" here. See how nothing bad happens - no one dies, the sky doesn't fall in - it's just a woman using a word to express exactly the same idea you regularly express using slightly more words.

twitter.com/counterfireorg/status/1370899755786702849

midgedude · 17/03/2021 12:27

Does sex scare you?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/03/2021 12:25

Again with these binaries. Why does everything have to be a strict X / not-X binary?

Your world view is so blinkered. Can't you just accept that we're trans-queer and don't fit into your transnormative gender boxes?

Indeed