What does CIS mean?

Essentially it just means you are not trans. It's a completely innofensive technical term that facilitates conversations which include both trans and cis people.

The people who object to it claim they don't need a prefix - they are just "normal", but interestingly, they never object to terms like "heterosexual", "straight", allosexual or "neurotypical" which form exactly the function in English.

Essentially, it's just an objection to a word that helps trans people. It's transphobia - pure and simple.

Objections to the word "cis" are way more offensive than the word itself could ever be.

Because someone being cis is generally assumed unless otherwise stated. Well, outside of trans spaces.

And maybe that is your problem right there. You narrowly believe that outside of ‘trans spaces’ people can be labeled as something because you and others arbitrarily have labeled them yourselves.

Yet, when people tell you they are not this newly made up label that is poorly defined because gender identity is poorly defined, they are not to be believed.

That seems hypocritical to me, but I could be convinced that I am wrong. So far, not convinced though.

It's a word that you may use or have forcibly assigned to you that assumes everyone is a believer in a specific political viewpoint. It assumes that everyone has a gender identity and is in unconditional agreement with this. It assumes that you agree with and comply with gender stereotypes and their restrictions and limitations upon you. And it assumes that you accept and support a narrative in which you agree that you have privilege which means you should subordinate yourself and your needs to others without protest or question.

I'm atheist on this political belief.

I believe that either it's wrong to ascribe people labels and use language towards them that they do not identify with, choose, and consciously reject - or it isn't. It can't be ok for some but not others.

I believe that either we show kindness, respect and acceptance of all identities and self definitions, or we don't. It can't be for some but not others.

And I believe that compelled belief, compelled association with a political belief, and intolerance of others who do not share your personal belief system, is not a positive or acceptable thing.

other genders in other cultures, such as the Tahitian/Native Hawaiian māhū

Hawaiians have an old local word for what some modern westerners would now call transgender. OK. So what?

Here's another random statement about ancient words and traditions:

Some Egyptian language refers to slave-like people as 'sqrw-anx', meaning “bound for life” Forms of forced labor and servitude are seen throughout all of ancient Egypt even though it wasn't specifically declared as the well known term we have today, slavery.

What does any of that tell anybody about anything they didn't already know?

Effeminate men have existed throughout history; some cultures have a special word for them.

Enslaved people have existed throughout history; some cultures have a special word for them.

'Cis' requires the belief that gender stereotypes are real and innate for the majority of people. 'Cis woman' could just as easily be replaced by 'Stepford wife'.
'Cis' requires women to accept that gender stereotypes are not only real but that they are one, which is why so many women object to it.
It's hilarious that trans activists shout so loudly about 'breaking the binary' while also insisting that cis is a real thing, thereby reinforcing that binary.

It's a way to put actual, real, genuine not pretend ,women down.

JustSpeculation - yes, i think straight and cis are applied to other people to chuck them into the 'square' box.

In relation to women or men, 'cis' means real.

Hmmm. Comparisons with "straight" are interesting. Actually, I do recall the word "straight" being used as a slur in the 70s and 80s. It meant conventional, unimaginative, mainstream, uncool (ironically, the word "cool" itself was still a desperately unfashionable throwback to the 40s and 50s), boring, rigid and not part of the in-group. In other words, it was used in much the same way as "cis" is used today. I still use the term "heterosexual" to describe my sexuality, as "straight" still carries those pejorative, unflattering connotations for me. Why define myself using a term which others coined to describe what they dislike about me?

Either people are the authority of their gender identity which must include not having one, or it is acceptable to misgender people. You can’t hold both positions. Please make up your mind

Exactly.

There are people who aren't trans who aren't cis (a portion of non-binary people, as well as other genders in other cultures, such as the Tahitian/Native Hawaiian māhū, who do not neccessarily perscribe to Western culture)

AND, presumably, anyone else who does not possess a gender identity.

There are people who aren't trans who aren't cis
This would be me.
(a portion of non-binary people, as well as other genders in other cultures, such as the Tahitian/Native Hawaiian māhū, who do not neccessarily perscribe to Western culture)
This would not be me.

Either people are the authority of their gender identity which must include not having one, or it is acceptable to misgender people. You can’t hold both positions. Please make up your mind.

Again, nope! Please don't use that word to describe me. I fnd it offensive

• yes, I know that your rejoinder to that is that you find my finding it offenisve to be offensive "ha ha" how we all larfed!

Observed nonsense. About time that was stopped. It only highlights the ludicrous contempt in which you hold your audience. We are women, not unthinking empty shells!

And yes sweets, we do know about cultural differences, and would celebrate them if it werent for you having constantly appropriated them! Nice of you not to use DSDs thouhg. Has that been a directive from somewhere? Did we 'not trans' entities make too much sense?

And the reverese engineering on stereotypes never did go unnoticed either. How can you present/live as something if you don't recognise ts characterostics, its social norms, which, of necessity, includes all the stereotypes?

Your entire post has no inherent logic. We all see that!

Also I'm an atheist so while I can appreciate other people's beliefs I do not subscribe to them myself

There are no cis women. There are just women. Calling us cis implies there is some other kind of women. There isn’t. HTH.

Construction Industry Scheme.

Its how subcontractors tax is paid. I don't work in the construction industry though.

Infidel simply means not Muslim. It carries no meaning beyond that. If I write about the world and comment on policy using the descriptive words Muslims and Infidels and you object then that is a sign you are Islamophobic. It is just a descriptor. Look it up in the dictionary. Lolz. Silly bigots.

Ooooo, good luck with that one. Infidel and its equivalent in Arabic, Kaffir, are highly offensive terms in some countries including Indonesia, South Africa and Turkey. tribune.com.pk/story/1263943/infidel-ottoman-slur-raises-hackles-turkey for starters...

The way I’ve seen it used online, it also seems to have the meaning of “boring” 🙄😂

It's the latest way to dehumanise women, by making us a subset of our own sex. Silly people applaud it as progressive. It also makes our oppression our own fault.

Infidel simply means not Muslim. It carries no meaning beyond that. If I write about the world and comment on policy using the descriptive words Muslims and Infidels and you object then that is a sign you are Islamophobic. It is just a descriptor. Look it up in the dictionary. Lolz. Silly bigots.

And all that stuff CardinalLolzy just said is exactly what all the enbies and other genderologists do all day - trying to reconcile their "sex" with their "gender" in a world of fuzzy definitions.

The assumption seems to be that the believers have this really deep inner world where they can think about this stuff, and the nonbelievers are just too stupid or something.

No, we've taken a look at your astrology, thought about it, seen that the model has no predictive value, is not consistent with our own deep inner world, and rejected it, thoughtfully. Possibly even more thoughtfully than your acceptance.

Nonbinaries are just pre-gender critical people who haven't quite figured out how exactly how flawed the model is yet and are trying to cling on to it.

There are people who aren't trans who aren't cis (a portion of non-binary people, as well as other genders in other cultures, such as the Tahitian/Native Hawaiian māhū, who do not neccessarily perscribe to Western culture).

evarish I'm trying to follow this - thanks for this info. What do you mean by "perscribe" here?