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'Feminism is identity politics' - DH just does not get it

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newdocket · 15/03/2021 10:35

Yesterday morning, after I had just been reading about the heavy handed policing in Clapham, DH appeared and started railing against it - they shouldn't have gone, it isn't all men, identity politics just alienates people etc etc. The crux of his argument is that the rare event of a woman being abducted and killed was being appropriated by women with a beef against men and that this just stirs up division. I explained that women were responding to something that resonates, that many (most) women have a story, or stories about male harrassment and more to tell etc. He just won't accept that it is a widepsread problem (despite me having a number of stories to tell, starting from the age of 11 and our daughter getting harrassed when in her school uniform). He remains hung up on the idea that 'identity politics' is not the way to resolve inequality issues. Come to think of it, he had a similar stance to the BLM protests.

I'm finding myself feeling repulsed by his attitude, it all feels a bit Jordan Peterson. I felt really rattled yesterday and feel a bit sick at the thought of having this kind of conversation with him again. Can anyone think of a helpful way to tackle this? Sorry if my post is a bit inarticulate...

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justanotherneighinparadise · 15/03/2021 11:10

I also think he is half right. Both BLM and the recent vigil were infiltrated by groups of people who really had no skin in the game, they just wanted to cause trouble.

The SE vigil was grabbed by the TRAs to make sure everyone knew TW were women. BLM was co-adopted by middle class white kids who fancied throwing some statues into the river. Thus it ever was the same.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/03/2021 11:08

Take a deep breath. Mine had a few of the same ideas but two points stopped him:

I have been raped, by a friend, someone who was helping me get home safe.

He has seen the behaviours of men harrassing women, including me. He sees it. In pubs, on building sites, on the streets, in his colleagues and some friends. He sees it.

And then the question of identity and gender politiciking. Would he have any kind of romantic relationship with a transwoman? ... Why not?

So identity politics have a real life application, don't they?

Now think about a man, trans or otherwise, in every single sex, female space you can think of. Is that right? Think about sport...

Would you happily accept women, trans or otherwise in every single sex, male space you can think of? Think about sport...

Now, whilst he does occasionally have a kneejerk response to some things he is held by his quite immediate understanding that identity politics are pointless to him but dangerous to me!

As I said, he has his moments, but he sees it.

Chimoia · 15/03/2021 11:06

It's threatening when your group is being accused and blamed, and we respond to threat in different ways and phases. Denial, aggression, reflection, openness, acceptance. I didn't realise until my 40s how much of a problem male violence is. He probably doesn't see it yet. Society doesn't see it yet.

Sicario · 15/03/2021 11:06

Do please fill out the Government consultation on violence against women and girls.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/violence-against-women-and-girls-vawg-call-for-evidence

It's really important that we get involved and tell them like it is... that there seems to be no appetite within successive Governments to address misogyny and VAWG because the men in charge refuse to face up to the reality of MALE PERPETRATED VIOLENCE.

For men to face up to male violence against women and girls would mean having a hand in smashing the patriarchy. And the patriarchy is hell bent on keeping male power exactly where it is.

NecessaryScene1 · 15/03/2021 11:04

I think he may be half right, in that there are groups, like Sisters Uncut, who will use this for "identity politics". That is, they are pushing politics, under the guise of identity.

But you can't conversely dismiss all lobbying for groups' rights/needs as identity politics.

AffronttoGender · 15/03/2021 11:00

I am angry about #SarahEverad as well. I'm also incandescent about SJW and the hypocrisy of those who say 'keep women safe' at the same time as wanting to put males in women's prisons.
I also remember and am still angry about Cologne New Years Eve, grooming gangs raping girls up and down the country, and the general sex and violence socked culture of the decades before #metoo.

But with regards to identity politics, I tend to agree with your DH.