Sisters Uncut

Wonder if they would have cheered them when they were shouting down a protest against rape ?

Their message was heard, understood and has been acted on

Strongly doubt the "understood" in the above
Considering the SU feministo directly contradicts their stance on transgender rights, there seems to be a lot of deception and smoke and mirrors around their stated aims

Why are they shouting speeches at a peaceful vigil?
Leaves a bad taste in my mouth to be honest.
If they've got so much reach, influence and support for their agenda, they could have organised a kill the bill protest off their backs.
Im not against the protest tonight.
I think its a bad bill.
I am against hijacking a peaceful vigil to get support for that.

Their message was heard, understood and has been acted on. And I doubt any amount of online sneering from the sidelines is going to change that.

responsibility

Tell me jj are all members of the male sex , no matter their gender identity, going to acknowledge their sex's responsibity for male violence against women.

@jj1968 - black and younger feminists? This seems to be implying black women can't be young and feminists. I'm sure that's not what you meant.

And I very much doubt its their agenda getting people out tonight.
People are protesting the anti protest bill.
You dont need to be anti-carceral to have concerns about the content of the bill and how it will affect all of our rights.

SU did not inspire these protests.
Reclaim these streets tried to work with the police to organise peaceful vigils in respect for Sarah Everard.
RtS pulled out when they couldn't get the go ahead.
In come SU centering themselves and turning a peaceful vigil into a protest.
Friday night was never intended to be a protest or a demo.

the organisation that inspired these protests

Also, correct me if I'm wrong
But isn't the inspiration for these protests the death of a woman, Sarah Everard, at the hands of man?

Or has she been forgotten at the expense of whatever this group's inspired?

trying to destroy the organisation that inspired these protests

SU did not inspire these protests
They hijacked an existing event and are now leveraging the attention to push their own agenda of anti carceral intersectional feminist acab ideology

I think most people understand that if you are going to produce a list of people who have died in prison or in custody some people on that list will have done awful things. That doesn't mean we should have a criminal justice system that drives people to suicide in some cases.

Sorry, but how do you, or anyone else, know what drove those rapists to suicide?

And why should we be paying 'tribute' to a child rapist in any way? A child rapist that has absolutely no fucking place on a list of women anyway?

He raped little kids. Not. A. Woman.

Did you just conflate ‘woman’ and ‘female’, jj?

From what I've seen of these protests they are young, passionate and angry. Thousands of women have been prepared to risk arrest to make a stand against male violence. Lots of them are probably getting involved with protesting for the first time. Heaven knows what they must think about a load of middle aged people taking this moment to rant on and on and on at them about trans people and trying to destroy the organisation that inspired these protests. Eye rolls all round I imagine.

What smears would they be?
Saying things which are true and backing them up is not smearing.
If SU would rather people didn't talk about them supporting male violence against women I cant say I'd blame them but that doesn't make it a smear.

guess the day of online smears didn't make a dent.

Smears as in spreading unpleasant or untrue rumours? The accusations against this group were backed up, they weren't baseless smears.

more focussed on the police bill

Not wreckers, oh no
Not deliberately changing the focus from attacks on woman to a dilution of the message and broader attacks on police

And considering SU are anti-carceral, this broader attack will inevitably prevent wider support

In a long and tiring life of activism and struggle, I've seen this play out again and again
I'm deeply sad and just want to cry. It seems so hopeless

They are clearly just using words that they think sound impressive.

Another impressive turn out tonight, more focussed on the police bill but still a majority female crowd and lots of feminist banners and chants. I thought they might be pushing it three nights in a row, but there seems to be real energy to this, guess the day of online smears didn't make a dent.

A representative of Misters Uncut was on 5 Live Breakfast this morning. She sounded like a young, middle class woman from the Home Counties.

All a bit meh, really, but the responses to her from listeners weren't positive.

Here www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000t5tl from 2.27 if anyone wants to listen.

Christ, Owen Jones is retweeting them now - that's right

Almost pipped jj's endorsement as least surprising event today.