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"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 19:26

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/sarah-everard-vigil-defy-police-ban-clapham-common-b923959.html

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
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DdraigGoch · 14/03/2021 00:40

@Artesia

*@Whenthesunshines* - but why was the Glasgow parade allowed to go ahead as an organised event when this wasn't? Is it because it's more important for men to gather to celebrate winning a game than for women to gather to mourn and peacefully protest against male violence?
Simple. It's because men are six inches taller and three stone heavier.
Thecatonthemat · 14/03/2021 00:38

When men come along there will be trouble. Definitely seemed from the footage that until the police arrived it was probably a contained vigil, but there were plenty of men itching for a fight. However utterly disgusted by not only the police handling , but the hijacking to be about the wolves in sheep’s clothing. This is. Women’s issue, not a men’s or tw issue. They could have shown solidarity and kept away. The fact they didn’t speaks volumes. Sad and .angry.

DdraigGoch · 14/03/2021 00:38

@gluteustothemaximus

They dance with extinction rebellion, they take the knee for BLM.

They arrest women protesting peacefully.

Tonight needed to be handled with sensitivity, given it was one of their officers who murdered Sarah.

So it just shows you what they must think of women.

They've been thoroughly captured by the woke orthodoxy. Trendy causes get a free pass.

It's time to reintroduce Peel's principles. Particularly these ones:
2. To recognize always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour, and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect.
4. To recognize always that the extent to which the cooperation of the public can be secured diminishes proportionately the necessity of the use of physical force and compulsion for achieving police objectives.
6. To use physical force only when the exercise of persuasion, advice and warning is found to be insufficient to obtain public cooperation to an extent necessary to secure observance of law or to restore order, and to use only the minimum degree of physical force which is necessary on any particular occasion for achieving a police objective.

It will take a generation to repair the reputational damage this has caused. I hope that the Home Secretary calls for the Commissioner's head on a plate. We need a new Commissioner, preferably one brought in from one of the more sensible forces rather than from within the Met. We could even hire from abroad.

I also want to know whether the Mayor of London had any involvement tonight. The Commissioner answers to Khan.

AnotherLass · 14/03/2021 00:26

It seems to me from twitter that these two things are both true:

a) The police acted terribly

b) The Clapham protest ended up basically being led by by Sisters Uncut, who are the extremist TRAs who assaulted Maria Machlachlan. They put up some sign about "t*rfs", and made speeches that a journalist on twitter said that in their opinion constituted contempt of court and could endanger the trial. Also, being Sisters Uncut, they had angry lairy blokes with them creating an aggressive atmosphere (which still does not in any way excuse the police reaction)

I saw an interview with Patsy Stevenson, the woman pictured being arrested. Her first words were how this is about "ALL women, transwomen and c*s women..."

So overall I don't feel that either side are covered in glory. I think it is pretty shite that Sisters Uncut tried to hijack this for a TRA agenda.

Scrumble · 14/03/2021 00:21

It is our human right to gather, grieve and protest.

I don’t believe the police reaction had anything to do with COVID. This was about silencing women/intimidating women to put them in their place. First, by threatening organisers and attendees with fines, then arresting women who were simply standing - not even speaking - and clearly not ‘being a threat’ to anyone.
It looked like there were a few ‘troublemakers’ in the crowd- ones who were there with another purpose. But (from the video footage - I watched live online) it looks like the vast majority were peaceful women attending the vigil.

The met Police were too heavy-handed and caused all the problems here. They could have handled this so much better, but they chose not to engage with the original organisers. They had the power to intimidate and they chose to flex that power.

Now the front pages on Mothers day will be filled with the Met police trying to intimidate women into silence. I am saddened. I am horrified.

RIP Sarah, wishing strength to her grieving family.

DdraigGoch · 14/03/2021 00:14

@poshme

Some of the people at the vigil were holding ACAB placards. Was that really for sarah? Or people wanting to cause trouble.
I've never seen that acronym used by someone not wanting to cause trouble. I refuse to accept that any of the vigil-holders had anything to do with it though, it would have been one of the usual idiots who infiltrate any worthy cause in order to have a punch-up.
awesomekaren · 14/03/2021 00:11

A reminder to everyone angry about how this vigil had been handled that the Government will be voting imminently on the new policing bill which will increase police powers to clamp down on protest.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-factsheets/police-crime-sentencing-and-courts-bill-2021-protest-powers-factsheet

Impatiens · 14/03/2021 00:11

They are supposedly policing by public consent.

Yes they love to trot that phrase out don't they? I never know what they think they mean by it.

Originalyellowbelly · 14/03/2021 00:08

I just feel heartbroken for Sarah's family, especially her mum, it's mothers day and her beautiful daughter is no longer here, some people should be ashamed of their behaviour tonight.

DdraigGoch · 14/03/2021 00:07

@lynsey91

They should not be having any vigil. What happened to covid rules? Also how many are wearing masks. I see that Kate wasn't
Didn't you notice police officers kneeling in the summer? Were those protests ok?
DandyMandy · 14/03/2021 00:06

I always think about the fact that women have been through so much for millennia, but we're still here standing strong and will continue to thrive. I genuinely think this is the beginning of a new dawn and many are waking up. I'm sickened by the police. RIP Sarah.

whittingtonmum · 13/03/2021 23:59

Can't believe they arrested the women at the vigil in the way they did & the general inapropriate policing of this peaceful gathering. The Met need to urgently stop digging given the massive hole they were already in before these terrible goings-on.

They are supposedly policing by public consent. Good luck with rebuilding that trust with the women of London. Dear oh dear. What a disgrace.

I personally lit a candle on my doorstep at 9.30 pm. But I think those who felt they needed to be in Clapham Common today should have been given a safe option to do so.

Pan2 · 13/03/2021 23:57

" A lot of those women were white, so where's their apparent privilege?? We all know the answer to that."

I don't know this. Can you tell me?

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LaVitaPuoEsserePiuBella · 13/03/2021 23:50

I'm beyond livid at the footage on the news. The Met have totally misjudged the national mood.
Society can't handle women's anger.

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Mollyollydolly · 13/03/2021 23:47

@Ereshkigalangcleg

RIP Sarah

Her family who have asked for her name and image not to be used must be even more distraught than they were already as their daughter just becomes a prop in the usual photo op politics of the SWP and Sisters Uncut.

I agree. Shame on them.

Agree. It's awful. What a bloody mess.
RosesAndHellebores · 13/03/2021 23:43

The Everard family have acted with utter dignity.
What a shame others, including the Met, have not.

Farenblight · 13/03/2021 23:35

@Ereshkigalangcleg

RIP Sarah

Her family who have asked for her name and image not to be used must be even more distraught than they were already as their daughter just becomes a prop in the usual photo op politics of the SWP and Sisters Uncut.

I agree. Shame on them.

Yes I agree, it's heartbreaking, and people should be ashamed.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 13/03/2021 23:32

RIP Sarah

Her family who have asked for her name and image not to be used must be even more distraught than they were already as their daughter just becomes a prop in the usual photo op politics of the SWP and Sisters Uncut.

I agree. Shame on them.

crossparsley · 13/03/2021 23:29

I went to a very peaceful, respectful vigil in Walthamstow today. No police, and no hijackers. On Twitter I saw a beautiful remembrance on Iona. Maybe there’s a story about all the small, honouring gatherings.

PiersMorganBigMLittleOrgan · 13/03/2021 23:26

Yup...

"Hundreds defy ban to attend Clapham vigil"
MmeLaraque · 13/03/2021 23:25

@rosetylersbiggun

*This shows another side twitter.com/markwl20/status/1370833319643000838?s=21P*

Bullshit.

What does it show? That in a crowd of maybe a thousand, four men weren't wearing masks and got into a scuffle with violent police who were manhandling girls.

Not a jot of proof they have any links with Antifa or BLM, but sure believe everything a far right wing account whose profile proudly proclaims "Patriot. Love Liberal Tears" and does nothing but RT racist twaddle, including RTing from a Katie Hopkins fansite, because apparently in the hellhole that is 2021 Katie Hopkins fansites are a thing.

"Not a jot of proof they have any links with Antifa or BLM, but sure believe everything a far right wing account whose profile proudly proclaims "Patriot. Love Liberal Tears" and does nothing but RT racist twaddle, including RTing from a Katie Hopkins fansite, because apparently in the hellhole that is 2021 Katie Hopkins fansites are a thing."

Antifa = anti fascist. That's the default, surely?

BLM... why is that a problem? WOmen are a minority grou according to police. We don't matter. Thei behaviour tonight has demonstrated that we don't matter.

Pan2 · 13/03/2021 23:22

Stephen McGann on twitter : "Truncheons before brains."

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 23:18

The point here is - if you knew people were likely to turn up, if you knew there was potential for it to hijacked, as a police force wouldn't you want to do everything you could to help it pass peacefully so that the pictures on the front of the Sunday news papers are of flowers and candles (as the first editions were), rather than go in and man handle and arrest women over what? What did those women do?

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