I'm just angry all the time, anyone else?

I offer as an anthem.. 4 non blondes, what's up..
m.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnxTNIWkc#menu

*25 years and my life is still
Tryin' to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination

I realized quickly when I knew I should
That the world was made up of this brotherhood of man
For whatever that means

And so I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed
Just to get it all out what's in my head*

I am angry, really I am.

However to lighten the mood a little I just saw a clip of Girls Aloud singing Biology. "You can't escape my biology" made me inwardly smile.... ;)

So so so so so angry I don't know what to do with myself. It's unbearable sometimes and then it settles and I feel more optimistic

claim they are being inclusive.. excuse typo due to anger..

The rest I have tried to write but it will have to remain spinning round in my internal dialogue of fury ... patriarchical psychiatry, silencing of women, rape, sexual assault,

I feel like I have found the room I need to be in today.

Hello, my name is Chateau and I am furious. I am a birth worker and women around me are erasing female language and silencing and no platforming great women who support other women in a world where the needs of women are rarely properly considered. These birth workers fail to realise the damage we do to a large number of women by failing to speak to them in a language they identify with, using words they use to describe themselves. They claim that are being exclusive but by excluding the voices of women who centre women in their communication they are also excluding women who no longer feel centred by the birth services we provide.

@ThisIsSimplyBeyond... you have so much to be angry for. I am sorry you have experienced so much direct misogyny. I hope you find a way to feel angry, accept your right to be angry and be grateful that you can express your anger rather than suppressing it.

Angry is an understatement.

I keep remembering situations that I had genuinely completely forgotten; the (nowadays I'd 100% call him an incel) bloke who stalked me and was obsessed with paying me to "take his virginity", the taxi driver who pulled up in the middle of nowhere and raped me (kindly - so he claimed - in lieu of payment), the ONS who stealthed me.

Bless you. I don't think mumsnet is the thing saddening people. Misogyny is the problem here - and of course people will go through waves of anger about things that feel unfair and unjust.

It cannot be very comfortable feeling anger all the time. Do you never relax?

I don't understand. I am rarely angry, something has to really 'outrage' me for me to show anger; that does happen occasionally but not often. I feel other emotions such as profound sorrow and sympathy.

Mumsnet doesn't anger me, it's either interesting, sad or silly.

Yes, I'm angry, although that does alternate with a large portion of misery and frustration. Its been a huge shock to find out just how few people see us as people in our own right.
I feel vastly better about it now than a few years ago though. We've still got a long way to go but this has gained awareness so fast and so many more women are talking about it. It feels like a world of difference.

I am just responding to the OP and then I am going to go back and read the full thread.

Yes, I am angry. I very often wish I hadn't seen it, if that makes sense. As I get older I can't not call out what I see as misogyny and sexism and, as a result, people think of me as a "man-hater". I know it isn't a nice thing to say, but I also find myself angry at misogynistic women, and MN seems to be crawling with them at the moment.

Sorry that wasn't clear, I was thinking of men who self identify as women in the same scenario as the men pretending to be undercover officers.

Did anyone listen to Women's Hour today ? They were discussing the government idea of having undercover policemen in nightclubs. Emma Barnett asked the government minister how will women know who is a real policeman or not ? How would you stop a man pretending to be an undercover policeman in a club ? I'm paraphrasing but I thought those are the same questions and scenarios GC women are trying to raise and mostly we're ignored or dismissed as bigots.

@LevirandalI.
This is exactly how I am feeling.
I'm in a semi rural area and everyone is feeling rainbows, glitter and throwing around the #BeKind nonsense.
I've been removed from a parents WhatsApp group due to raising concerns about Stonewall - the majority of group members are women ad it beggars belief how captured they are.

Me too OP, I have to limit my time online, pretty sure its not good for my health! A low point was me shouting at my tablet watching the Hate Crime debate last week, kids thought I'd lost the plot . But what would be worse is if you weren't angry because that would mean acceptance. I'm angry but I'm also hopeful, because I think things can change, and anger can be channeled into action. What I've found is it helps to balance reading about it with doing something - writing a letter, donating or thanking someone who is speaking out before I read any more.

I feel locked in a cycle of anger. My Dh doesn’t get it and comes out with NAMALT. I have daughters. Two have autism. I’m absolutely petrified for them. I also have an older DD with no Sen. I talk to her constantly about it but I worry I could end up making her hate men. And I don’t want her to but...

I’m absolutely sick of the way women are treated. How we’re always secondary to men. FWR is the only place I’m able to air how I feel though still with the threat of being deleted or banned if I openly state the truth. I live in a small town and haven’t come across any GC women, one woman who I was friendly with now has a trans daughter so posts about how wonderful Sam S and Eddie Izzard is. She’s fallen down this rabbit hole where she believes Mermaids and Stonewall are wonderful.

I’m frequently becoming more and more sick of it.

The last two weeks have been peaks and troughs. GP conference ONS Scotland Glinner and Helen in HoC , then the horror of Sarah's murder and then the vigil violent stuff last night, and the hijacking of it all by TRA, ReclaimtheseStreets crown funder

Its really upset me, but actually made me more proactive today.
I've dug in some gardens, I've ordered more merchandise, I've joined a few more GC feminist sm groups .

Solidarity, Sisters!

Makes me so angry that some men have to have teenage daughters for them to realise.

I remember being about 14, and cursed with being very well developed from the age of about 11. My father had heard me talk about the problems of it all (vividly remember the boys in my class having a great time miming being me running and being knocked senseless by a flying boob) and he'd been very yeah yeah, but I walked with him one day down a busy dockside where lots of men were working, and by the time we reached the end he was so angry he was scarlet in the face. He told me then he'd seen for himself, bloke after bloke look and exactly where and how they were looking.

He was very yeah yeah about women's spaces too until it dawned on him one day in conversation with me exactly what his daughters and granddaughters would experience in toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, and then he wrote to his MP.

It's meaningless to many lovely men sadly until they see it directly affect a female person they feel is theirs. I can't imagine the luxury of living in a body all your life where you just don't have to care about such stuff because it doesn't affect you.

"Impotent rage" sums it up for me. Between the everyday microabuses and reminders that because I'm a woman I'm always going to be second to men no matter the situation, watching the mess the Met made of the vigil for Sarah, and hoping against hope that the world might change for my young nieces I'm so, so tired of all this rubbish, and tired of being angry about it as well.

Great post, agree 100%.

I think anger is the only rational response to the facts, to the truth. Like for example the fact that rape is virtually legal in the UK, given the tiny amount of reported rapes which are prosecuted.

It is tiring, especially if you're doing the bulk of the housework and childcare. And the fear for my daughters is so palpable, every. single. day.

I’m so fucking angry right now. Also weary and despondent. I have a two year old daughter and I am so worried about her future.

My first job was 3 weeks before I turned 15. At a hotdog stand- so dealing with the general public.

My father sat me down and warned me that from here on out and until I was old, every man who looked at me would think about what it was like to have sex with me.

Now he should know! He'd happily catcall when my mother and I were in the car. And then one day it was like something clicked.

Makes me so angry that some men have to have teenage daughters for them to realise.

Yep, angry angry angry here.

Me too. Radio presenter just announced that statistcally TW experience more attacks/ assaults than women.
Is that true?

No, it’s bullshit. Just like it’s bullshit that biologically male trans people have no physical advantage over women in sport. And bullshit that biologically male trans people don’t have male privilege. And bullshit that TWAW.

It’s all bullshit and one of the things that winds me up immeasurably is the way we are expected to fall over ourselves countering these palpably absurd and patently untrue claims and “statistics”, even while knowing whatever facts and evidence we provide, we will still be roundly ignored. (cf England Rugby’s response to the World Rugby research that showed that hey, guess what, big news, it’s not safe or fair for women if biologically male people are included in women’s rugby, even if they identify as women!!! Which response was of course la la la fingers in ears and not listening to the nasty transphobic exclusionary bigots.)

Are biologically male trans people perceived as male more often than women? Yes. That’s it. That’s the “more attacks/assaults”. Yes, of course some biologically male trans people sadly do suffer genuine attacks and assaults as well, but certainly not more than women.

As toffeebutterpopcorn said, the vast, vast majority of assaults that women are subjected to don’t even get reported, and we get practically no justice for those that are; there is no category for hate crime on the basis of sex, unlike “gender reassignment”; and the truth is that sexual harassment is just a fact of life for most women and girls, and we are expected to just live with it. We just don’t matter enough for it to be taken seriously - but if it happens to a biologically male person? Then it’s a big deal! Then people have to care about it.

endofthelinefinally which radio station was this? And do you know which presenter? If you feel like it, you could write in to ask them to substantiate that claim, or to complain about them making the claim with nothing to back it up. Misinformation, fake news, etc. Lies like this really make me rage.

Even Before I joined MN, I feel like this a LOT.

If I drove and if mum was brave enough to join...

"Impotent rage" sums it up for me. Between the everyday microabuses and reminders that because I'm a woman I'm always going to be second to men no matter the situation, watching the mess the Met made of the vigil for Sarah, and hoping against hope that the world might change for my young nieces I'm so, so tired of all this rubbish, and tired of being angry about it as well.

I don' t know if anything is going to change in the next twenty years and that makes me both sad and furious as well. No woman should have to go through her lifetime hoping for a scrap of acknowledgement for her abilities and efforts made to get through the days with good results or a bit of contentment. No woman should have to scream from a mountaintop that she matters and deserves to be heard ... but here we are.