"Women and non-binary people feel unsafe walking home alone"

MissBarbary not quite..

Non binary is how you feel inside.

And male or female people can be non binary.

It's nothing to do with what you wear etc.

A non binary person can be a male who presents in a masculine way.

I don't get what they are trying to say.

Women (would include trans women I assume however they present) and non binary people (male or female and how you feel inside so presenting in a standard way for sex is perfectly fine obviously) feel unsafe.

How is the experience of a man who presents as a man different depending on how he feels inside and that no one can see?

From what I've read/encountered (I'm a cis woman and in my mid 30s so it's a little limited), they seem to fall under the same umbrella as things outside of binary gender stuff

Apologies for quoting a comment containing a banned word, but if that is the correct definition of "non binary" would that not include many posters on here who present in a gender non conforming way?

If so, does that make you doubly at risk - being women and non- binary compared to boring, feminine conforming me?

( btw as there's no sarcasm emoji I am being facetious. Even on this short thread it's clear no one knows what "non binary is supposed to mean)

So do all non binary people feel unsafe including those who are born male and why then are male non binary people considered more vulnerable than other males?

My daughter is at university and she says there 'non-binary' seems to be used as shorthand for a non-feminine woman.

thats a bit sad, these tags are just making it harder for people to be individuals

Sam Smith is non binary

He is also a six foot two male

Well it's the same as saying "women and men feel unsafe walking home alone" or "people feel unsafe walking home alone"

Fine. Except of course it means we are no longer talking about male violence against women. We are talking about people's violence against people.

Again, fine. Except, of course, it also needs to be OK to talk about specifically male violence against women. Women have a specific type of risk from male violence that is different from the risk men have. Even gay men, or men with a gender ID.

Men are actually more likely to be attacked. But women are physically weaker, are never the aggressor, risk rape, and pregnancy from rape.

Crucially women are also socialised to weaken their boundaries against men and are structurally disadvantaged in society. And what is going on here, with the relentless insistence that we must not be allowed to speak about the crime that happens to women yet is never perpetrated by women, without also including some men, is a great example of that.

I'm amazed at the confidence of these people campaigning against male violence who simultaneously advocate for children to have no boundaries and who force open the door to women's prisons and rape crisis shelters to some males.

What amazing idea do they have which will suddenly end male violence I wonder? If only those stupid bigoted women before them who won the vote and who created women's shelters had ever tried to tackle this!

I'm dismayed by the their selective attention, that some women deserve protection, but not society's most vulnerable.

Should have said ‘Many people are scared walking home at night particularly women’

And the stats back it up Men aren't killed by their partners or sexually assaulted by strangers at the rates women are.

I'm pleased that you don't feel unsafe but the reality is that make violence towards women is a risk to the majority of us and many of us take precautions in terms of how we dress, what routes we walk and how we carry our keys as a direct response to that threat.

You may not feel the same but I hope that you can see that your view isn't representative of women

Very much agree OP.

I think they mean gender non conforming. It's not great wording.

My daughter is at university and she says there 'non-binary' seems to be used as shorthand for a non-feminine woman. Clear words are so important

Enough people have been bashed for being gay that I assume this statement is fairly accurate?

Hibari. You the first person mentioning trans on this thread...

Does non-binary mean trans? (genuine q)

Acknowledged as people*

Forgot how to speak English for a moment there.

....so we're whining about trans being acknowledge people and ignoring the real problem again? Solid.

What a dumb headline. If they are that desperate to look 'cool' and 'inclusive', why not just say "Some people feel unsafe walking home alone"? Surely that's the most inclusive headline possible as no one is left out.

What's all this nonsense about women and non-binary people? Are they saying MEN can't experience feeling unsafe when walking home? How exclusionary!

Some people feel unsafe walking home alone

That's the only logical statement and headline. Anything else is exclusionary and gender-phobic.

Why would it depend on the individual? Do some women bring it on themselves?

No, it's just as if someone said "women are scared of heights". Heights are dangerous. It's reasonable to be scared of them, but some people aren't. I'm not scared of walking home in the dark. (I'm terrified of lots of other things, though, don't worry!)

If people want to talk about the safety risk for women, then fine. But the implication sometimes is (not on this thread, necessarily, but elsewhere) that women all should be scared and we should all stay at home.

Sorry, but that depends on the individual though - I certainly don't feel unsafe

How you feel has fuck all to do with it. If you have a female body you are at increased risk of harassment, sexual assault, rape etc than if you have a male body. Why would it depend on the individual? Do some women bring it on themselves?

Oppressive to who?

When I was younger, I was always being told, it's not safe for women to be doing this or that. It's a perception. So, it's like we're victims twice. We're actual victims, but then we limit ourselves and also become victims that way. But yes, of course we have to assess actual risk. On the other hand, everything carries some risk.

But non binary people can be male

What the BBC means is that people in female bodies, aka women, feel unsafe Because . They . Are . Targets . Of . Male . Violence.

Sorry, but that depends on the individual though - I certainly don't feel unsafe.

I used to take a fatalistic approach to it all.

I did whatever I wanted and thought fuck the 'rules'.

Having said that, I've got a list of stuff men and boys have done as long as your arm.

The risks that males and females face when out and about are different.

The idea that recognising that there's a large minority of men who are creepy pervy weirdos is not news to most women.

Nor is the fact that women and girls are generally smaller and weaker.

To frame that as what. Women and girls judging risk poorly and seeing themselves as vulnerable and ? colliding in their own oppression. Is a stance I can't agree with.