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Scrunchy95 · 2021-03-12T09:05:39+00:00

Jess Phillips reading the names of the 118 women murdered at the hands of men in the last year, in parliament yesterday, has floored me! I listened to every name with deep respect and deep sorrow that this violence against women is just an accepted part of our society. What she did was incredibly powerful. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56365827]]

JosieJarker · 12/03/2021 16:47

Not sure why you're quoting my posts if your issue is with someone elses?
I think she's done a good thing that needs doing in this instance.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with everything she does or thinks.

donquixotedelamancha · 12/03/2021 16:47

Jess Phillips is totally convinced that TWAW, and as such has no place defending the rights and safety of women, when she includes males in her definition of 'woman'.

Absolutely- she's guilty of a thought crime and so anything else she says is wrong- she must be canc.......

....hang on a minute. Something's not quite right. I've just remembered- that's the other lot.

AnyFucker · 12/03/2021 16:42

I don’t have to agree with everything that Jess says and believes to appreciate some of the things she has done

She gets a lot of stick for being like a dog with a bone on the subject of murdered women and stays steadfast

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 16:41

You didn't, but the original comment I responded to did.

JosieJarker · 12/03/2021 16:39

Good job I didn't suggest any such thing then.

prettypinkflamingo · 12/03/2021 16:38

@CoffeeWithCheese

I know there are issues with Phillips' stance regarding gender - but, as someone who had a friend who was unfortunate enough to make the list one year (murdered by her husband), it is an incredibly moving gesture and some acknowledgement of how fucked up the situation is regarding male violence against women.

I agree. My friend was murdered by her partner many years ago now but hearing her read their names really got me.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 16:38

@JosieJarker

She can have compassion for whoever she wants. I'm sure she does care about dead women. But men cant be women. To believe they can you would have to be lacking in basic science and class knowledge. Its not about agreeing. Im sure she doesn't actually believe men can be women, in which case pretending to would indicate she posseses worse traits than the ones I've listed.

No it is about agreeing. Youre being facetious here.

She shares the same belief as I do and it's pretty appalling to suggest we therefore can't care about murdered woman.

JosieJarker · 12/03/2021 14:53

She can have compassion for whoever she wants.
I'm sure she does care about dead women.
But men cant be women.
To believe they can you would have to be lacking in basic science and class knowledge.
Its not about agreeing.
Im sure she doesn't actually believe men can be women, in which case pretending to would indicate she posseses worse traits than the ones I've listed.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 14:42

@JosieJarker

"And?" And that means we have at least one woman in the house of commons with no critical thinking skills or basic knowledge of science or class analysis.

Right.

Even if that was true, does that mean she's not allowed compassion for anyone?

Your arrogance In calling someone who doesn't agree with you lacking those things in outstanding.

JosieJarker · 12/03/2021 14:37

"And?"
And that means we have at least one woman in the house of commons with no critical thinking skills or basic knowledge of science or class analysis.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 14:33

@Numicon

Jess Phillips is totally convinced that TWAW, and as such has no place defending the rights and safety of women, when she includes males in her definition of 'woman'.

That is a disgusting comment.

RootyT00t · 12/03/2021 14:33

@Numicon

Jess Phillips thinks men can be women.

And??

Numicon · 12/03/2021 13:27

Jess Phillips is totally convinced that TWAW, and as such has no place defending the rights and safety of women, when she includes males in her definition of 'woman'.

andyoldlabour · 12/03/2021 11:35

The same Jess Phillips who thinks that TWAW and tried to make light of the Cologne New Year sex attacks where hundreds of women were attacked.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-35440954

peak2021 · 12/03/2021 11:31

I have a mixture of appreciation for Jess Phillips highlighting the number of women murdered, and a sadness that it is so many.

Hopeishere52 · 12/03/2021 11:29

thank you to Karen Ingala Smith and Jess Phillips.
Every name read is one too many.

Sexnotgender · 12/03/2021 11:20

@Floisme

I am happy to give Jess Philips credit when I think it is due, so thank you Jess, you did a good thing yesterday.

And thank you to Karen Ingala Smith for compiling the names.

to all

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Exactly. Do I agree with everything JP says? No obviously not. I totally appreciate this though, she doesn’t have to do it.

JosieJarker · 12/03/2021 11:07

Some people still felt the need to centre trans women.
None of who were murdered by men last year.
mobile.twitter.com/Sarah_Woolley/status/1370051379276959744

Siablue · 12/03/2021 10:54

I am pleased that she does this every year. It has focused attention on the victims so many of who died alongside their children.

The list she reads out is from the femicide census which is an important pice of work. It has highlighted how many older women are murdered and that because of this there are possibly some murders that are missed because the women were expected to die.

Dailyhandtowelwash · 12/03/2021 10:47

While agreeing with your overall point, I am picking up on your comparison with drug misuse- approx 12 people every day die from this (2/3rds of them male). Junkies are even lower down the pecking order than women, few people care. Treatment, decriminalisation and other actually quite simple and cost effective harm reduction measures could be implemented but the daily mail would have a fit so no politicians ever do it.

More lost souls being let down by society.
Sorry for the derail, but felt I needed to flag that

I totally accept your point and I actually phrased my initial point wrongly - in my mind, I was thinking of the reaction if a prescription drug were found to kill through misuse. I entirely agree that the way people with complex and chaotic lives, including substance abuse, are regarded by 'society' is disgraceful.

AIMD · 12/03/2021 10:09

The number of children killed alongside their parents was upsetting too.

IdblowJonSnow · 12/03/2021 09:57

It was extremely moving and powerful. Needed saying. I'd not been aware of JP doing this until yesterday.
RIP all those women.

bumpertobumper · 12/03/2021 09:54

@Dailyhandtowelwash

She's done it every year in the IWD debate. Six years since she started, and the point she's making, that this isn't taken seriously by Government, is exactly the same. How depressing. The media continues to report on the murders of women (when it does) as isolated incidents. If two people a week were dying from misusing a drug, can you imagine the coverage? If two people a week were dying from an activity, it would be banned by now.

I used to work with a senior police officer by the way, who thought he knew better than anyone, including any women, about how media coverage of domestic violence and rape affected people. He's run domestic violence units in the past. He refused to accept that media depictions of rape and violence affected anyone's thinking at all. While we have people like him in charge, I feel very gloomy about the prospect of change.

While agreeing with your overall point, I am picking up on your comparison with drug misuse- approx 12 people every day die from this (2/3rds of them male). Junkies are even lower down the pecking order than women, few people care. Treatment, decriminalisation and other actually quite simple and cost effective harm reduction measures could be implemented but the daily mail would have a fit so no politicians ever do it.

More lost souls being let down by society.
Sorry for the derail, but felt I needed to flag that.

334bu · 12/03/2021 09:53

www.holyrood.com/editors-column/view,defining-hate
In Scotland woman have been excluded from protection in the Hate Crime Bill..
How long do women have to wait ? Will Jess have to pass the baton on 20 years from now?

sashagabadon · 12/03/2021 09:52

Credit to Jess. It is very moving to hear all those names.