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Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 11/03/2021 22:30

The organisers of a socially distanced #ReclaimTheseStreets event planned for Saturday 13th March at 6 pm on Clapham Common say the Met Police are trying to pull it. They say they're threatening to prosecute the organisers. The intention is for a short vigil to remember Sarah Everard and all women lost to violence. They're looking to crowdfund to cover potential legal costs. Harriet Harman has written to the met in support of the organisers...

twitter.com/reclaimts/status/1370123638406545408?s=21

www.crowdjustice.com/case/reclaimthesestreets/

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TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 17:01

Great points Stumbled

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stumbledin · 13/03/2021 16:54

Have just seen they have an email address so if you want to make them aware that you feel they have got money out of you under false pretenses then let them know.

ie alert them to the fact that they have potentially excluded themselves from donating to women's refuges and rape crisis centres.

I haven't given money as have only recently seen about the just giving page but will certainly email them.

Will be polite and make it a point of information!

[email protected]

SorryAuntLydia · 13/03/2021 16:51

@OvaHere

I would hope they are clear about this in their fundraiser ( I haven't checked). As long as they are clear about it I take the view they can fund raise for who they want. I'll just give a direct donation to an org of my choice.
I don’t think this makes it clear they only are fundraising for organisations that include penis owners in their definition of women.
Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
stumbledin · 13/03/2021 16:49

Squirm - exactly that's the point. We become responsible as individuals not just the few who fixed the date and time.

re the fundraising - I'm not on twitter so cant do this - but even just as a consciousness raising exercise anyone on twitter can easily also ask whether in view of the EA and the cuts to women only services they will ensure that safe women's spaces are equally respected.

It is hardly a surprise when we know so many younger women have been through the trans process that they would say this.

Now if never before is the time to challenge that narrative not somehow accept it is always going to be like that.

In fact having re read the screen shots they need to be told that they are in breach of the EA which provides for women only provision of services specifically those dealing with women who have survived male violence.

Impatiens · 13/03/2021 16:31

Just so everyone is aware before donating their criteria for women's groups is inclusive of men.

How to make an unbearable situation even worse.

OvaHere · 13/03/2021 16:28

Oh FFS. How do you get a refund from JG, is it possible?

Possibly if you complain they weren't upfront in their description about where the raised money was going to.

PenguindreamsofDraco · 13/03/2021 16:21

@OvaHere

And it is also great that they have asked that as well as a doorstep vigil at 9:30pm tonight they have launched a fund raise for women's groups.

Just so everyone is aware before donating their criteria for women's groups is inclusive of men.

Oh FFS. How do you get a refund from JG, is it possible?
SheWillButRise · 13/03/2021 16:21

Yep they have confirmed that the money will only go to groups that include men.

Great - so a subset of females - as usual - are excluded.

Women’s groups should include individuals who identify as trans and non-binary - the FEMALE kind - all females, irrespective of how they identify. That is inclusion.

SquirmOfEels · 13/03/2021 16:16

Whereas jubilant (predominantly male) football supporters were out in their thousands last weekend and I dont think anyone got fined

Some individuals who attended were, but as there were no organisers they couldn't be.

This event had organisers, so potentially they could be held to account for their actions in that role.

There has been a steady stream of people at the Bandstand today (been past myself, and seen news coverage) and there has been no police action to impede

OvaHere · 13/03/2021 15:50

I would hope they are clear about this in their fundraiser ( I haven't checked). As long as they are clear about it I take the view they can fund raise for who they want. I'll just give a direct donation to an org of my choice.

SorryAuntLydia · 13/03/2021 15:46

@OvaHere

And it is also great that they have asked that as well as a doorstep vigil at 9:30pm tonight they have launched a fund raise for women's groups.

Just so everyone is aware before donating their criteria for women's groups is inclusive of men.

Yep they have confirmed that the money will only go to groups that include men. Are there any legal bods here who could say if this is fraudulent? (As they claim to be raising money for women’s causes are they not raising money under false pretences?)
Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 15:43

Ellie-Mae asking all the important questions Hmm Definitely not virtue signaling.

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OvaHere · 13/03/2021 15:39

And it is also great that they have asked that as well as a doorstep vigil at 9:30pm tonight they have launched a fund raise for women's groups.

Just so everyone is aware before donating their criteria for women's groups is inclusive of men.

Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
stumbledin · 13/03/2021 15:30

I am not an uncritical supporter of the police and I think part of what has happened is the need to create a public perception. ie last summer protest were not in contravention of the then regulations. Now they are. They have been fining people. If they let this go ahead legitimately and not find anyone then they will be accused of double standards.

But as someone pointed out on what was a really FEMINIST discussion on any answers the difference is that the organisers (all women) are trying to obey the rules.

Whereas jubilant (predominantly male) football supporters were out in their thousands last weekend and I dont think anyone got fined.

So the irony is, is that if we have all not made public our intentions, somehow communicated secretly (easy if you still have an old landline, remember telephone trees) women could have spontaneously emerged at the same time to show their anger and sorrow.

I think that is far more relevant than any ideas of conspiracies and cult groups and supposed loss of freedoms.

In this case I dont wont the organisers to be landed with £10,000 fines because they got it together and try and organise something.

And it is also great that they have asked that as well as a doorstep vigil at 9:30pm tonight they have launched a fund raise for women's groups.

So horrible as this situation is, from the radio call in and the comments on facebook, I feel that feminist perceptions are far wider than I had previously thought.

It is just that both main stream and social media with their male dominant voices make us think different.

So I've bought some night lights (now known as tea lights - why?) and will stand on my doorstep tonight.

MercyBooth · 13/03/2021 15:24

Boys Will Be Boys
Dua Lipa
It's second nature to walk home before the sun goes down
And put your keys between your knuckles when there's boys around
Isn't it funny how we laugh it off to hide our fear?
When there's nothing funny here (ah)
Sick intuition that they taught us, so we won't freak out
We hide our figures, doing anything to shut their mouths
We smile away to ease the tension, so it don't go south
But there's nothing funny now (ah)
When will we stop saying things?
'Cause they're all listening
No, the kids ain't alright
Oh, and they do what they see
'Cause it's all on TV
Oh, the kids ain't alright
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
I'm sure if there's something that I can't find the words to say
I know that there will be a man around to save the day
And that was sarcasm, in case you needed it mansplained
I should've stuck to ballet (ah)
When will we stop saying things?
'Cause they're all listening
No, the kids ain't alright
Oh, and they do what they see
'Cause it's all on TV
Oh, the kids ain't alright
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
If you're offended by this song
You're clearly doing something wrong
If you're offended by this song
Then you're probably saying
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
When will we stop saying things?
'Cause they're all listening
No, the kids ain't alright
Oh, and they do what they see
'Cause it's all on TV
Oh, the kids ain't alright
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women
Boys will be, boys will be
Boys will be, boys will be boys
But girls will be women

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 14:26

I meant that it was my current mood

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SquirmOfEels · 13/03/2021 14:25

The 'current mood' posted above is not perceptible in the Common, which is quiet, sad and reflective

I think anger is being expressed separately to the vigils

SquirmOfEels · 13/03/2021 14:24

The bandstand on Clapham Common is completely encircled by flowers now.

People are coming to lay flowers, pause and reflect.

There appear to be only a couple of police officers there, and no attempt to stop this activity.

I think the concern was over a mass gathering at a set time (including what that would mean for crowding in public transport). Instead it's turned into a day long event

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 13:56

Current mood

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SerendipityJane · 13/03/2021 13:50

@CorianderBee

It's difficult because the Met are trying to shut down the vigil, the expression of grief over a woman who was killed by a member of their own force... doesn't feel right.
Maybe they just don't want to risk another of their officers flashing someone ?

And even if that wasn't the reason, there's no reason why it shouldn't trend on Twitter. Along with another very pointed observation that if the Met is riddled with murderers, then off course the best place for women is as far away from them as possible.

The Met aren't being kind to women. Why the holy fuck should women be kind to them ?

I bet things would be different if a woman was in charge of the Met.

TheRabbitOfCaerbannog · 13/03/2021 13:34

Janice isn't having it

Met Police threaten to prosecute organisers of 'Reclaim These Streets' womens' gathering
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Thecatonthemat · 13/03/2021 12:43

Go two by two keeping social distance and wearing masks, walking round your own areas and parks or doing the doorstep thing. Large numbers of women on the streets however will be noticed, especially if men respect and stay away.

CorianderBee · 13/03/2021 12:24

It's difficult because the Met are trying to shut down the vigil, the expression of grief over a woman who was killed by a member of their own force... doesn't feel right.

Tibtom · 13/03/2021 10:58

We will never get rid of coronavirus entirely but in the mean time without the ability for public protest only those who have connections already will be heard and coronavirus may becone the least of our problems.

I am not suggesting BLM style protests but the ability to protest is surely the badic building block of a democratic society?

hoodathunkit · 13/03/2021 10:48

Variants is not a new issue - coronaviruses always mutate and this one has been producing thousands of variants from the start.

exactly

until we have a very low R rate there will always be a significant threat from new variants

Why do you think this 'football match' is near the end?

I don't. It could be near the end if people keep to the rules. If they don't it could all go very Wilfred Wong in a hurry

Why are you expecting women to be responsible for other people?

Because women are adult human females and it is the responsibility of all human adults to behave in a responsible manner during an unprecidented pandemic

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