Scotland passes the Hate Crime Bill

Appalling. I have no words

What —excuse— reason has been given by those opposing including sex in this bill? Or misogyny?
Obviously I know the actual reason but I’m wondering how the SNP have justified it. Or have they just ignored those who spoke up on it?

I don't think women should be added to the bill, the entire thing needs to be torn up, burned and buried so it can be dug up and catapulted directly into the sun.

You can't legislate people's feelings.

As for potential harms of adding women to the bill, the victim hierarchy of critical theory will be based on a trans/not binary and we'll be firmly at the bottom. It will be another category of "hate" to use against us.

As a scottish woman living in england i am horrified and worried for my aunts cousins and sisters still there

I PRAY the SNP dont win in May- balance is needed and we need to scream this from the rooftops... SNP are trying to irradicate and ignore women!

Solidarity with adult human females in Scotland.
You made all the right points but the misogyny is so strong.
I hope this can be legally required to be remade to address the blatant sexism.
I’m scared this sexism will spread to similar laws in England and Wales too www.lawcom.gov.uk/project/hate-crime/

Times Scotland:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/909673d6-82c4-11eb-b718-da0821f7ec01?shareToken=92a37a49d57fc77fc16dff43c5a68d89

[quote ArabellaScott]The votes are here, but I'm a bit confused what all the divisions mean

www.theyworkforyou.com/divisions/[/quote]
It's very confusing as it doesn't give the wordings but as the SNP/Green were all NO on the one I looked at and virtually everyone else was AYE, it must have been a Labour/Tory amendment I was looking at.

"Cross dressers are explicitly included."

While 51% of humanity isn't even visible.

The bloody weirdest thing is how so few people even think that's at all odd.

I'm not sure up to date with this

Last I heard, comments made at a private home were going to be removed but I don't know if they went ahead with that?

Can someone give me an idiots guide to what this means please?

'excluded'

Does anyone know what the potential harms that might have arisen from including sex would be?

Well, by adding sex they would have to define it. That would upset all the male feelings and make them feel 'exclued'

Couldn't possibly protect women from the malicious reports that will now happen because of this ridiculous bill could they...

Utterly despicable . I miss my homeland but this is awful . How f*cking dare they ?

So, if I say something that would not be allowed on MN rules on FB then, am I tonight, committing a hate crime?

If these rules now also apply within people’s homes then you would be committing a hate crime if you said it in your kitchen.

All hope is on queenie and her advisers then

If by "queenie" you mean Her Majesty, no. Royal Assent is a formality. Royal Assent should actually be 4 weeks from when the Bill is passed- I was confusing that with the Scottish Government's curious practice of bringing legislation in to force in piece meal fashion.

There's swathes of a flagship Act passed in 2016 which aren't in force yet.

I am delighted with this ill conceived, misogynist and ridiculous hate crime bill. It should finally deter anyone with a functioning brain cell from voting for the vile SNP.
Roll on May election day. I’m sharpening my pencil...

Just wondering how the SNP plans to campaign for independence without stirring up hatred against the English - something that definitely happened last time.

@TheHamsterCatcher I read the Engender report on this but I could not explain to you what the potential harms were. It seemed to be something to do with needing to contextualise hate crimes against women with how violence against women operates and how society
understands inequality of women but the arguments seemed either weak or opaque. If anyone can offer an explanation that makes sense that would be great.

All hope is on queenie and her advisers then.

I'm not in Scotland but I stand in solidarity with all women in Scotland who suffer hate crimes for simply being the owner of a female reproductive system.

Does anyone know what the potential harms that might have arisen from including sex would be?
I see plenty of 'the people we give lots of money to tell us what we want to hear' and not any actual explanation on that point.

The Bill only goes live after it receives Royal Assent. There's no fixed period for when that has to happen.

So, if I say something that would not be allowed on MN rules on FB then, am I tonight, committing a hate crime?

Or is there more to happen before this bollox is in law (x for inclusion)