FFS....I really despair...

[quote PumpkinSpiceWoman]@picklemewalnuts

Thank you for clarifying that.[/quote]
No worries. It was a perfectly reasonable suspicion in the current climate, but we don't want to add to the confusion!

Pretty strange given that this is apparently 'Terf Island' that thankfully very few trans people are murdered. And if no-one knows they were trans as some inane PP is trying to suggest, it's v unlikely they died as a result of transphobia. So a stupid point to make really.

@picklemewalnuts

Thank you for clarifying that.

My apologies I made a mistake regarding the numbers of transwomen killed. I only gave the numbers of those killed by a partner, but there have been another 7 transwomen who have tragically lost their lives killed by men.

I believe that in the last ten years or so 2 Transwomen were tragically murdered. I think gingernaut may be referring to the 12 or it might be 13 transwomen convicted of murder in the UK during this period

Shizuku

"How do you know that it's rare to pass well enough to be fully stealth?"

Stealth - cautious and surreptitious action or movement, a deliberate attempt to access areas which would not be available to them under normal and legal means.
If even one transgender person had been murdered in the past year or two, then everyone would have heard about it, possibly resulting in a month of mourning.
Suffice to say, that thankfully none were murdered, which doesn't make it any easier for the relations and friends of hundreds of women who were murdered.
Please do not keep trying to appropriate the grief of these people.

@AnxiousAndUnraveling - absolutely. The activists want them categorised as women so they will never know. Its the same as that daft person in the Green Party telling people to not record their gender and sex separately in the census - so no statistics on anything to do with TWs so they erase themselves????

Women are not the oppressor class. Using every opportunity to turn it around and blame women is not any recognisable form of feminism. It smacks of DARVO.

I completely agree.

How do you know that it's rare to pass well enough to be fully stealth? You literally have no way of knowing because, ahem, they pass well enough to be fully stealth.

What, no MTF trans person who fully passes to be "stealth" ever refers to themselves as transgender on social media? Because I deduce from the fact that most self declared MTF trans people are very obviously biological males, even with the ability to use photoshop, that most MTF trans people don't actually pass as female.

Look at the absolute batshittery Karen Ingala Smith is dealing with today. As PPs have noted, don't talk about the 118 women who died - let's have a conversation about the trans women who didn't...

twitter.com/k_ingalasmith/status/1370078383065948171?s=21

@Babdoc

Fancy me wanting that

RandomMess, you are expecting logical consistency from a totally illogical ideology.
TW are women but they are a different kind of sparkly superior women. Who need a separate and much more important list. Even when it’s empty.

Trans women are more likely to murder than be murdered

@Gingernaut there are some interesting accounts here:
www.womenarehuman.com/category/europe/england/

Warning: NSFW

But if TW are women then they would be on the list as they would be a woman 🧐 so are they now admitting TW aren't women and need a separate list??!

SW points out that if a TW doesn't have a GRC then she will be recorded as a man. But I question what the alternative is. Obviously we currently record murder victims by their legal sex, in which case this method is correct. So are we saying murders should be recorded by gender? But we can't ask a murder victim how they identify. I suppose we could ask friends/family, but what if they disagree, whose word do we take? Or are supposed to go on what they are wearing at the time of their murder, or something? What exactly are SW and co proposing?

Women are not the oppressor class. Using every opportunity to turn it around and blame women is not any recognisable form of feminism. It smacks of DARVO.

they pass well enough to be fully stealth.

Generally not after they've been murdered. If anything, some of those murdered women on a hundred plus autopsy tables in morgues across the country may have been transmen. But transmen never count, do they

And now, lately, it appears that the more inhumane, the most horrific or the more traumatic those things are, the more they are targeted.

Stillbirth, rape refuges, female genital mutilation and now even death.

Death by male violence.

Trans women are more likely to murder than be murdered.

There is a hideous case of the poor girl murdered and dismembered, allegedly by Gareeca Conita Gordon and a companion.