Dr Jane Clare Jones on Twitter this morning

IsabelleSE19

What's going on with this?

Just thought it would be useful to have quick plagiarise to point out the obvious flaw in Shizuku’s post.

If a ‘trans’ gender identity for males correlated with reduced sexual assaults/violence against women etc comparable to female levels - I think we’d all be much more supportive of that narrative. But it’s false. Surely if it was true, by definition it would also mean trans men should be much more violent? Awaiting the evidence for that... don’t think it will come .

Any evidence that transwomen are any less likely to commit sexual or violent offending than any other male?

No there isn't. But there is this...

Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%
125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%
13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

FamilyOfAliens
Brings to mind the Reclaim the Night marches I went on as a student in Leeds at the height of the Peter Sutcliffe murders in 1980-81.

Nothing has changed.

Add #MeToo to that list. Heartbreaking that nothing really changes, including the persistent attempts to erase what few rights women have fought for and won.

The whole transwomen vs “cis” men is a very clever sleight of hand.

Male violence is the issue, regardless of some nebulous gender identity.

*1st rule of transmisogyny, pertinent to this post:

1. Trans women are responsible for what cis men do.*

Remind us again, how do we tell them apart?

Any evidence that transwomen are any less likely to commit sexual or violent offending than any other male?

Male violence remains male violence.

Women can't 'identify' out of it, unfortunately. And the gender identity of the person attacking them means little: men are larger, stronger, and an attack by a male can also carry the danger of unwanted pregnancy.

I'm not scared of lesbians, is the root of it. I am scared of males.

Uppity Puppety, perhaps?

What's going on with this?

[quote EmbarrassingAdmissions]There's a Reclaim These Streets planned for London Fields, Hackney this Saturday for those who can't make Clapham Common:

Saturday, 13 March 2021 London Fields Lido from 18:00-19:00

Covid protocols in place.

www.facebook.com/events/856534278413341/[/quote]
Brings to mind the Reclaim the Night marches I went on as a student in Leeds at the height of the Peter Sutcliffe murders in 1980-81.

Nothing has changed.

You think it's only trans women who do this stuff? Seriously? Have you been hiding under a rock?

So you have been demanding of evidence on your other thread.

Could you please post the peer reviewed evidence that any subset of males, ie. regardless of their gender, commit crimes at either the rate of females or the same type of crime that females commit?

We are all looking forward to this, because we have been searching and have found nothing. Only the opposite, that the rate of crime persists and the type of crime.

There's a Reclaim These Streets planned for London Fields, Hackney this Saturday for those who can't make Clapham Common:

Saturday, 13 March 2021 London Fields Lido from 18:00-19:00

Covid protocols in place.

www.facebook.com/events/856534278413341/

You think it's only trans women who do this stuff? Seriously? Have you been hiding under a rock?

Only male people (including transwomen) can commit rape. Male people are also responsible for 98% of sexual assaults according to official MOJ stats.

Not all male people are like that, but there's this thing called safeguarding that you don't seem to be aware of. Any decent male person will understand that they are part of a group that poses a particular threat to female people and will not invade their safe spaces. Decent male people understand that even if they don't intend to cause harm, their presence makes it a mixed sex space and therefore removes the safeguarding element that keeps women safe.
See eg www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html%3famp

I'm quite happy to campaign for gender-neutral third spaces for those who want them alongside the existing facilities, but male people should not be in female peoples' safe spaces ever. These are my boundaries.

Transmisogyny.

TransmisoGYNY.

Really doesn't work, that one. Especially as it's a term often used by people who are exhibiting extremely GYNAEphobic behaviour.

”You think it's only trans women who do this stuff?”

Why would I think that? Male violence is male violence. Done by any male, regardless of how they identify. No woman can rape someone, but any male can. How they present and what they call themselves, or how they feel make no difference whatsoever.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/14/lesbian-who-murdered-girlfriend-after-starving-and-beating-her-for-years-given-life-sentence/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=PNFB&utm_content=JJ

”Trans women are responsible for what cis men do.”

You think it’s only “cis” men who do this stuff? Seriously? Have you been hiding under a rock?

Even in my small town, a transwoman was convicted of raping a woman only a couple of months ago. The fact that person identified as a woman didn’t protect the victim in the slightest. Why on earth would it?

1. Trans women are responsible for what cis men do.

Oh, are we 'weaponising' our fear and anger, again? Are we? Naughty women! Despicable, even? Really?

Rules of misogyny.

1. Women are responsible for what men do.
2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.
7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.

So I think your little phrase is a misogynist dog whistle, to borrow the kind of slogan-based argument you'd be more likely to understand.

There are no special kinds of male, no identity, no role in society, that makes any male exempt from our concerns about male violence. Trans rights are human rights. But they are not the right for males to be considered exempt from safeguarding.

bold fail - I was too lazy to do line by line - anyway I'm with Cavemum and Turtles on this.

Speaking out about reality of our lives is not 'attacking trans rights'.
However, declaring that women are 'weaponising' it when they are openly angry after a woman is murdered is pretty despicable in my book and downright misogynistic to boot.
HTH.

This.