The cognitive dissonance from 'TWAW' women

You would defend my right but you're moaning about people saying it. I didn't say I wouldn't have an opnion on it!

Were those people TELLING you to believe it? You know that forst thread that we exhanged posts on? The one where I recommended you try out FWR? That was about just such a command wasn't it?

Laws being changed. The EA2010 being mis applied. MoJ, HoL etc etc.

Were those people TELLING you to believe it?

What is wrong with people saying those things? Nothing. I'd defend your right to say such things for as long as you want to say them.

But not to insist that I say and believe them.

Not to try and enforce my saying it via laws, let alone SM harassment and threats.

But you'd have to also allow that I am equally correct in thinking you to be deluded. Human beings simply cannot change sex!

Brcause you acknowledge that in the long-term, such attitudes towards disability are psychologically unhealthy, and in the short-term, you'd get told where to go?

I wonder, would you tell someone with a disability that they had been in the wrong body?

Oh come on garden.

Be kind came from the suicide of a young woman.

And I can guarantee the majority of MN posters peddled it at the time.

No one is born in the wrong body - even Mermaids and Stonewall have stopped making that claim.

All the evidence shows that tw are certainly not the most vulnerable group in our society by a long way and a noteable number of individuals have actually increased the danger to women by their actions.

Be kind is what has got us to where we are now! Arguing about what a woman is and having our single sex spaces and protections undermined.

What is wrong with people saying those things?

But as other PP have said, it's far more likely that these people being raised as males than the fact they have a penis is responsible for their crimes.

We need to remember that there are some different groups here though. Apart from the very recent trend for quite small children to be raised as a member of the opposite sex by their parents, the vast majority of people reach adulthood or thereabouts before presenting as the opposite sex. Therefore they are fully socialised in their formative years in their birth sex.

Even when we consider how the very early transitioned children are treated, I can't believe that the parents are actually treating them fully as a member of the opposite sex. I think at an unconscious level they will still be treating them as their birth sex, or at the very least treating them differently because they are trans. The parents of 'transgirls' on here are definitely not treating them as other girls are typically treated, even within the same family.

Many tw are very late transitioners and have spent 40 or 50 years being exclusively socialised as male and that is obvious on interactions with them.

Many trans people, as we have seen demonstrated perfectly by the Eddie Izzard situation, may have changed their presentation and pronouns but are still not treated a way that is remotely resembling how women are treated.

Imo trans people (particularly tw) do not acquire any meaningful socialisation that relates to their acquired sex presentation. Therefore I don't see how you can argue that socialisation or behaviour are in any way translated to the opposite sex on transition.

What's wrong with saying those things?

You can't be born in the wrong body, you are born in your own body

Transwomen are not the most vulnerable group in our society

Be Kind is a social constraint women can well do without!

But as other PP have said, it's far more likely that these people being raised as males than the fact they have a penis is responsible for their crime

Don't think that quite computes as transwomen, who rebel against their socialusation as males, are still just as likely to be violent/ sex offenders as any other male person.

If you go on to the FB page Women Against Hate today you will see that cognitive dissonance writ large. Scores of women arguing that you just need to ‘be kind’ to ‘our trans sisters’. It’s all about being born in the wrong body, being the most vulnerable group in society, blah blah blah ...

Yes, I follow that page and every so often swathes of woke people leave in disgust because at least two of the admins, including the page owner are GC feminists. It's quite funny to watch them fail to compute that a left wing page for women could possibly centre women

If you go on to the FB page Women Against Hate today you will see that cognitive dissonance writ large. Scores of women arguing that you just need to ‘be kind’ to ‘our trans sisters’. It’s all about being born in the wrong body, being the most vulnerable group in society, blah blah blah ...

But we behave in different ways - Ie our abuse is done mentally and psychologically mainly because we couldn't overpower a man unless we had to.

Do we as women address those?

Nobody says it was "far more likely" to be nurture.

You need a penis to commit rape. Superior body strength is very helpful too.

I don't even care that much whether it's nature or nurture. However, if it is nurture as you say, then that suggests that we can try to influence this. Members of the male sex class are behaving in a way that does not happen in the female sex class. Obvious conclusion: address it with the males.

Then that depends on your criminological beliefs. I'd like to see any evidence which suggests motivation of crime is down to nature

Belief didn't really come into it, statistics did. Males commit almost all sex offences and the vast majority of violent crime. Statistics also show that identifying as a woman makes no difference to your propensity to be a violent or sex offender. It would therefore appear that being male is the most important factor. Nature or nurture? Doubt that if it was just nurture that the seismic gap between the prevalence of violent, sexual criminality between men, transwomen,non binary males and those born female would be quite so massive.

So, the cognitive dissonance. It really is quite something to watch, particularly how fear plays into it. Women are afraid to say 'the wrong thing' and they are afraid to 'walk down the wrong path' and in both cases male aggression is the thing they're afraid of, but in only one instance is it identified as such.

Yes, exactly. They are, as I say, terrified of being marked as unwoke as they know it makes them a target of misogynistic abuse.

So, the cognitive dissonance. It really is quite something to watch, particularly how fear plays into it. Women are afraid to say 'the wrong thing' and they are afraid to 'walk down the wrong path' and in both cases male aggression is the thing they're afraid of, but in only one instance is it identified as such.

Do you not think the 'other side' is as guilty of the same behaviour?