The cognitive dissonance from 'TWAW' women

Just watching Posie's video about this. She's right on the money.

Are you calling me a liar again rooty?

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I am not. I am watching good friend and colleague tear herself apart trying to square that particular circle. And there is nothing I can do to help her.

Some prime examples of the behaviour in the OP all over Twitter today.

So is she supposed to reject her own trans child, curious?

I wouldn't worry. I don't think you will have the problem of her talking to you about it for long.

At a vigil for a murdered woman. Completely twisted.

"The struggle against gendered violence" according to LOJ. Nope.

Look at this chilling ridiculousness at the Clapham Common vigil for Sarah Everard:

twitter.com/robjessel/status/1370820643256729609?s=20

Definition of misogyny and male gaze unironically juxtaposed with a misogynistic slur often accompanied by threats of rape and violence. Nice.

Crikey! I meant that she has long been a champion of the rights of women and girls. Staunch feminist, campaigner etc.

And now she has a transdaughter. All her old certainties are now working against her child. So she is doing the cognitive dissonance thing of championing girls and trans girls as though they are the same. She is a biology teacher!

How on earth do you get to that interpretation?

I have an ex collegaue and I can't even begin to explain.

Suffice it to say her actions years ago have come to roost, her son is no longer a boy! And she has always been absolutely fierce in her defense of the privacy and dignity of girls and women. But is now equally fiercely defensive that her 11 year old son is included in all things girl/female.

I can't square that circle and cannot talk to her about it, or many other things as they all seem to circle back round to him/her.

Cognitive dissonance. My lovely friend is fiercely supportive of girls, donates to a charity that funds toilets and school places for young girls overseas, organised some brilliant female only careers events for her yr 10 students, but thinks it would be ok for a child who has received the benefit of male socialisation but is identifying as a girl to attend.

Has a difficult relationship with her DH and wants to encourage girls to be fiercely independent and not beholden to male whims but thinks it is ok to help a young girl socially transition at school without permission (and maybe knowledge) of the parents.

Due to said DH relationship really appreciates social time spent away from him and all other men in the company of women but can't see the issue with male people self-identifying into women only groups.

Reluctantly conceded that it is not safe for males in general to be able to access female facilities but despite being faced with a textbook example of ROGD irl (someone we both know), shared an article claiming that it is all a load of rubbish.

We haven't been able to talk about it since then - I remain bewildered and wish I could talk to her more but daren't raise it again.

That does seem to be back! Wonder what is causing it this time. Hopefully nothing too serious!

Sorry thought I had lost first post as I got an " Oops" page

These two seemed aware. The youngest, the one who smiled said she did so to be sure the man in the van wouldn't get angry with her!

I could cry!

That said, at 12 my friend started sleeping with older men. Allegedly consensually. Of course, now, I can see it was rape. At the time, it was presented as being supercool and exciting.

Or maybe they just know in their hearts howsomeone like Danielle M identifies? And can therefore be reassured that someone who is six foot, male presenting and has a beard poses no threat. That must be very useful

Yes the cognitive dissonance is baffling. I know that we are all guilty of compartmentalising things, especially when it comes to things we love and or feel passionate above.I can understand why someone who believes passionately in equality and the need to protect marginalised groups would find it hard to accept that transwomen might be just as much a threat to women as other males. However, the deliberate ignoring of evidence and the cynical attempts to imply that transwomen are no more dangerous than " other" women is beyond the pale.

Yes the cognitive dissonance is baffling. I know that we are all guilty of compartmentalising things, especially when it comes to things we love and or feel passionate above.I can understand why someone who believes passionately in equality and the need to protect marginalised groups would find it hard to accept that transwomen might be just as much a threat to women as other males. However, the deliberate ignoring of evidence and the cynical attempts to imply that transwomen are no more dangerous than " other" women is beyond the pale.

I do wonder, these people who I would call women who state twaw end of, how they'd feel if alone in an alleyway with a person I'd call a man. Presumably they'd confirm how they identified before deciding whether to feel nervous.

So.... Back to cognitive dissonance.

Outside those whose job it is to write about feminism or who are involved in politics I don't think there is much cognitive dissonance happening.

The people saying TWAW one day and then talking about the extent of male violence the next haven't even really thought about what they believe, is just repeating meaningless mantras like a child reciting a catechism.
In many cases it hasn't even got as far as cognition.

That's why we need to speak to people, ask them what they mean, discuss women's sports and prisons. For many the top of the mountain is still covered in cloud.
That's why we are constantly being deleted and banned here and on other social media. There is always mass reporting drive to stop us asking the relevant questions that will prompt people to examine their cognitive dissonance.

What if misandry is rooted in a justifiable fear of males which leads to hatred, does that make it different from misogyny.
Do some women hate men because they are men or because they are dangerous, in which case it's not really misandry.

That has recently become more infuriating to me too! Watching young girls get beeped and shouted at and one of them turned and smiled. Her friend asked her why she smiled. I bet you could guess her answer!

I had to turn and walk away! They are 13/14 FFS!

One of the things he suggests women are very wary of are males who push boundaries, who try to push you to say yes when you want to say no. Women are socialised to be polite so we smile and make vague protestations instead of bluntly telling them to get lost. I see huge parallels with the TWAW situation. Most women don’t want an intact male in their changing room but we don’t want to be unkind to a specific, possibly vulnerable individual. I think it is our socialisation that is part of the cognitive dissonance.

Yes, one of the things that makes me angriest is we are teaching girls and young women that they need to ignore their feelings of discomfort around boundary pushers.