What do you think of Andy Ngo?

@MissBarbary again where did I say anything about Winston Marshall. You do love to pull assertions out of thin air.

@LangClegsInSpace point me to where @MissBarbary has provided evidence of anything.

@PottingCompost no the burden of proof is not on me. You have no problem using the internet when trying to find information that supports your view but need somebody else to do it for you when it does not.

Yes, this is actually the way it works.

Person A: This is what I think and here is why:
Person B: I disagree and here is why:

This is not the way it works:

Person A: This is what I think and here is why:
Person B: I disagree and you must google my evidence for me.

Why on earth would anyone take person B seriously? It's a good job you have no interest in convincing anybody of anything.

I'm not suggesting posters pay me £50 per hour.

Your position however is nonsensical. You throw out a "fact" and then dictate that it is up to someone else to disprove your one - line fact.

Given your inability to recognise the Stalinist over tones in the grovelling apology by Winston Marshall I don't think your knowledge of extremist politics will be terribly extensive or impressive; certainly not £50 per hour.

Andy Ngo is a racist liar, there is no other explanation for this comments on Muslims in London. He deliberately edits his footage and presents information in a way to distort what happened and minimise far right violence. He has doxed left wing journalists sometimes placing their lives at risk given the current state of play in the US. He also clearly has a close relationships that go beyond objective journalism with some far right groups who are openly violent. He is of them, not a Nazi in the traditional sense of the word perhaps, but a man who is fully committed to acting as a propagandist for their movement and the violence it pursues. And if you turn up on the streets with a mob of heavily armed racists who are ready and eager to commit violence and you end up getting hurt then frankly tough shit.

And there we have it. jj DOES think Andy Ngo deserved to be attacked.

Do you have any proof for any of your accusations against him, as listed above?I seem to remember the accusations of him doxing journalists were proven to be absolute bollocks, on twitter. Unless this is a new accusation.

[quote cinammonbuns]@PottingCompost and as I said I have absolutely no interest in convincing you or anybody of anything. You clearly have no interest in any information that contradicts your views and I would not waste my valuable time researching for you when you are clearly already convinced. I am simply questioning the ridiculous statements stated on here.[/quote]
pot, kettle, much

@MissBarbary i agree it is ‘bad form’. I am extremely disappointed you declined my offer, I was really banking on that £50. I presume this means you will be doing the research yourself?

If your not willing to pay that, then do it yourself unless I won’t believe you actually research and find a balanced point of view

I know it's considered bad form to comment on grammar, but I certainly would not pay you £50 per hour to carry out research if the end result turned out as badly written as the sentence above.

@PottingCompost and as I said I have absolutely no interest in convincing you or anybody of anything. You clearly have no interest in any information that contradicts your views and I would not waste my valuable time researching for you when you are clearly already convinced. I am simply questioning the ridiculous statements stated on here.

Were our grandparents who fought in the second world war as bad as Nazis?

You think motivations aren't important? That the communists who fought against the Nazi party were just as bad really, a view shared incidentally by much of the German middle class who were quite susceptible to being whipped up by right wing propanganda against minorities and so called 'violent' left wingers? That we should see both sides to the Battle of Cable Street? That those who physically opposed far right thugs smashing up minority owned businesses in the 70s and 80s were just as bad as the racists? That the kids who came out onto the streets of Whitechapel after Tommy Robsinson led a violent march there and fought off the EDL had no right to protect their community?

@PottingCompost no the burden of proof is not on me. You have no problem using the internet when trying to find information that supports your view but need somebody else to do it for you when it does not.

I am happy to bill you £50 an hour for internet research.

If your not willing to pay that, then do it yourself unless I won’t believe you actually research and find a balanced point of view.

And I also never said I supported anybody attacking anybody. Please get your facts right first before you post. I simply did he was a right wing grifter. I’ll leave you to show me evidence he is not.

And tell you to google it all.

This seems to be a bit of a mindbender, but I don't approve of mobs attacking people. To get me on board with this, you are going to have to tell me something like that he's actually Pinochet in disguise and all the people hitting him were bereaved families.

Hibari

"But she's talking about anti-white racism and how great Parler is. Gonna take her anti-left comments with a bag or two of salt."

I think your moral compass needs recalibrating.

@nauticant if somebody on one side saying things you don’t agree with pushes you to the other extreme. Then you are clearly someone without much intelligence or stable opinions and can easily be pushed into anything. It’s not anybody else’s fault that someone has poor critical thinking skills and can’t form rational opinions without being pushed to an extreme.

@NecessaryScene1 and what a blindingly stupid statement. I could just as easily label you a volent white supremacist but I have no evidence of that as you have no evidence of @jj1968 being an extremist.

People wonder why the younger generation do not ascribe to the views shared on here. This thread is the perfect example of why.

I honestly thought @jj1968 after you accused a Jewish woman of anti-Semitism the other day, you might reflect a bit about your propensity to fling around accusations of nazism. I see my hopes were I'll-founded

@PotholeParadies and it wasn’t ‘might’, he did say it unless you are not able to comprehend that he was literally the one who wrote the article?

Anyway, I’m not going to waste my time trying to talk to you anymore. It’s like trying to speak to a brick wall, no signs of intelligence at all and not being able to comprehend that the credibility of somebody who writes things such as those is irrevocably damaged. But he agrees with your agenda so you choose to ignore it. What great intersectional ‘feminism’.

Excusing their behaviour because you think they're the good guys,and because white supremacists or whatever you want to call them have done worse, is abhorrent imo.

Exactly. We're busy opposing violent extremists on both sides, but people like jj1968 don't care about the violence, they care about the claimed motivations.

If the (alleged) motivation is bad, then it's bad, even if not violent - hence jj1968 is anti-Ngo. It the (alleged) motivation is good, then it's good even if violent - hence jj1968 is pro-Antifa. But jj1968 has no principles on violence at all. The ends justify the means.

And hence jj1968 promotes right-wing violence - by making excuses for the left-wing violence he legitimates violence as a method thus encouraging it in the right.

jj1968 is a dangerous extremist and a threat to democracy. And I want jj1968 to post more so everyone sees exactly what we're opposing here.

‘A bit bigoted’. I’m guessing you aren’t Muslim.

And he has said many more bigoted things but you all seem adverse to using Google and I’m not going to waste my time doing that for you.

Sooooo... the guy might have said something a bit bigoted once, and now he isn't entitled to human rights any more.

A bit bigoted lol. If you turn up with an armed racist mob looking for a fight don't go crying when you get one

Great X-post.

Sooooo... the guy might have said something a bit bigoted once, and now he isn't entitled to human rights any more. Also, something horrible happened to someone else, so there. I'm afraid I didn't sign up to race to the bottom.

This kind of thing seems to play well with Amnesty (see Alexei Navalny) but I am afraid I have moral principles.