What do you think of Andy Ngo?

Same question to you. Would you have condemned the Suffragettes? Do you condemn the Stonewall riots as well for that matter?

Your continued defence of antifa, and the comparison to the Suffragettes is disgusting.
Antifa are a crow of rent-a thug cretins, interested in destruction, and only destruction. They have invaded many legitimate manifs here, then made them super violent - public bottle recycling bins tipped over, the bottles used as projectiles, then the broken glass reused, sharp stones, shop windows broken, atm's destroyed.
The protest that saw the water cannon outside my door, the broke the window and wrecked the awnings of the cafe across the road from me. Owned by a couple of guys, just a small business; Oh but they showed them, didn't they? Really stuck it to 'the man'.
They're also the reason I know what tear gas is like, as I said upthread, and you conveniently ignored. Don't tell me it's media spin, I have seen them, right up close and personal. My kid being locked down at school because that manif turned into a riot. By them.
They're scum. They have no aims at all. Just casseurs.

Get a fucking grip.

I read loads of books by people I vehemently disagree with.

For example, one of the most useful books I have read in recent years has been Pressing Matters by Christine Burns. I found those two volumes incredibly informative.

I think you've spent too long listening to Trump and the likes of Andy Ngo.

I haven't spent any time listening to Trump and Andy Ngo.

How do you know? You had enough trouble making out the great big antifa flag but could somehow read their pronoun badges?

Any comment on your mate Mr Gupta?

I don't think the fact a journalist comes across as a bit of a dick on twitter invalidates their published work. I think most journalists come across as a bit of a dick on twitter.

It looks like both groups were predominantly made of up of women.

How do you know? You had enough trouble making out the great big antifa flag but could somehow read their pronoun badges?

I'd like to hear both sides.

Are we allowed to hear both sides now? That's fantastic! I can read my new book with a clear conscience.

Any comment on your mate Mr Gupta?

I think he's a bit of a cunt and definitely not an ally.
I disagree with violence against cunts as much as violence against anyone else.
I think a pro alt right thread on FWR is a bad look for us but I'm pro free speech so carry on.

Earlier you accused someone of being a 'literal nazi'. That's a serious accusation.

It's a ridiculous accusation, unless we're in 1930s Germany.

I suspect this is closer to the truth. The police killing black people, the Trump presidency and growth of the far right in the US doesn't affect you personally. Perhaps had you been black and poor and around in the US in 2020 you might have felt differently.

I'm not talking about black poor people. I'm mostly talking about white people with silly hair who seem to constitute quite a considerable part of Antifa and all these movements you personally champion. I'm not sure why you think it's so odd that I don't support unprovoked violent attacks on civilians. It's kind of normal behaviour.

Yeah it must be those women's own fault somehow, mustn't it jj?

Maybe they should have just stayed at home and kept themselves safe.

With all this emphasis on purity I'm amazed jj and hibari haven't bothered to distance themselves from Arun Gupta, the author of the article jj posted earlier.

jj said it was 'well worth reading'

I provided you all the information you need to do your due diligence.

Here's my earlier post:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4188655-What-do-you-think-of-Andy-Ngo?msgid=105509538

As you will see I have had the common decency to provide a link, verbatim quotes and screenshots to back up my strong opinion that Arun Gupta is a complete arsehole.

I dunno, maybe that's just what 'side' those posters are genuinely on

Or maybe those posters do know and accept that '... you don't have to endorse someones whole stance or like them as a person, to agree with the merit of some of the things they say and liking someone or thinking they are good doesn't mean they are correct.' - as AdHominemNonSequitur said earlier.

The question then is - why do they have one standard for themselves but another for their opponents?

My book's arrived

Shall I read it or burn it? Did the nazi evidence ever show up?

and there we go jj1968 once again minimises violence and abuse directed towards women.

"Other prominent opponents of women's suffrage also saw their homes destroyed by fire and incendiary devices, sometimes as a response to police raids on WSPU offices.[62] Relatives of politicians also saw their houses attacked: the Mill House near Liphook, Hampshire was burned because the owner was Reginald McKenna's brother Theodore, while a bomb was set off in a house in Moor Hall Green, Birmingham, as the property was owned by Arthur Chamberlain, brother of Conservative politican Joseph Chamberlain (father to future Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain).[63][64] Houses were also attacked in Doncaster. After some suffragettes were thrown out of a political meeting there in June 1913, the house of the man who had thrown them out was burned down.[65] In response to such actions, angry mobs often attacked WSPU meetings, such as in May 1913 when 1,000 people attacked a WSPU meeting in Doncaster.[66] In retaliation, suffragettes burned down more properties in the local area.[66]"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffragette_bombing_and_arson_campaign

It must horrify you to see gender critical activists draped in their flag. This dwarfs anything ever done by antifa.

Had I been around in 1918 maybe I would have felt differently.

I suspect this is closer to the truth. The police killing black people, the Trump presidency and growth of the far right in the US doesn't affect you personally. Perhaps had you been black and poor and around in the US in 2020 you might have felt differently.

They are far from just a pro-business group. They are a deeply authoritarian religious organisation with extreme economic views which include scrapping almost all initiatives to combat climate change.

So that’s ‘no evidence’. Got it.

If someone wants to argue like a pre-teen that’s ok I suppose, but why would they expect anyone to take them seriously?

I also stated that I don't draw a line between nazis and wilful nazi enablers.

If you can't be bothered to look, what's the point in showing you?

Hibari

Earlier you accused someone of being a 'literal nazi'. That's a serious accusation.

I'd never heard of the person before this thread, so I asked for some evidence. You've yet to supply any.

Why would anyone take you seriously if you throw around accusations without anything to back them up? Why would I listen to any of your other 'arguments'?

I'm actually seeing far right Christian conservative groups defended on a feminism board.

You're basically saying, "I look quite nice in this green dress."

Are you saying it's not okay to attack unarmed civillians (and that's hardly a mainstream BLM or antifa tactic)

Hardly a mainstream antifa tactic, okay then, I ask you again jj what had the women who had been trafficked into prostitution and pornography and ultimately escaped done to deserve being attacked by antifa flag waving thugs in Paris last Sunday?

As we know from history, the consequences of that approach on both the left and the right are horrible.

As soon as you say your cause is so just it excuses anything you no longer have any moral justification.

I agree. This is what scares me about these people.

No the Suffragettes sent letter bombs and set fire to people's homes. Interesting to know you would have been one of the ones condemning them though.

No, I just don't support unprovoked violence against people. I'm not sure why you find that hard to understand. I would have fully supported the cause. Had I been around in 1918 maybe I would have felt differently. In Portland today though, I don't support either the right wing or the left wing thugs. They're just rentamob.