What do you think of Andy Ngo?

Quick addendum: I make no delineation between Nazis and Nazi enablers.

I don't need any media, right, left or otherwise to tell me what disgusting, violent and idiotic thugs both antifa and black bloc are. Thanks to them, I know what tear gas is like, and got to expérience having a water cannon outside my building's front door.

Lang I can't keep up either but clearly certain views are unacceptable now. Lord knows how that will turn out.

Do you believe everything the far right tell you?

No.

Sky news said the police had confirmed the quick drying cement. Are Sky News literal nazis as well now? I can't keep up.

Is Andy Ngo a literal nazi though? (too late now, my order has been despatched!)

Has antifa explained why it's OK to treat a human being like that?

Are they not a bit embarrassed that the best they can come up with is 'we haven't actually killed anyone in the last 25 years' ... but uh-oh - Editor’s note: Since this piece was published in July 2020, the data has changed ...?

It's fairly irrelevant whether it did or not. He was attacked by a baying mob of thugs.

I think people are being accused of racism quite a lot if they don't agree with a certain agenda. I am a woman of colour and feel like I have to add that info, which is sad in itself.

[quote Lisz]I mean, shit.. sometimes, you wonder, you really do.

'Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years'
:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa[/quote]
Talking about untrustworthy sources...

Have you noticed how that article compares right-wing violence since 1994 with jihadist attacks since 2010? This gives 329 deaths to right-wing violence versus 95 deaths to jihadist violence. But if you were to use a baseline of July 2000, providing twenty years of data, you would have 160 deaths to right-wing violence to about 3,100 deaths to jihadist violence.

Moreover, this is a weird tangent on which to discredit someone, which basically runs along the lines of “some right wing people are violent and dangerous, therefore all right wing people are violent and dangerous”. It isn’t a terribly logical argument.

I mean, shit.. sometimes, you wonder, you really do.

'Anti-fascists linked to zero murders in the US in 25 years'
:
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa

Unfortunately just because he is right about left wing and woke extremism, doesn't make him overall trustworthy.

Well they seem nice

As I said, I'm happy to read all sides of everything, so if anyone has a link to antifa's explanation as to why it's OK to treat another human being like this (whatever their views), please do share.

On the face of it, this has nothing to do with feminism, but then there was this lovely Women's Day gift:

twitter.com/Margueritestern/status/1368624306117283844

(note the big red antifa flag)

@jj1968. The far right have always been a threat. They have always been held at bay, here and in the US by secular liberalism (enlightenment not neo) The far left have never had a proper foothold. When the The far left get a foothold they are every bit as dangerous as far right. The current far left are eroding the center, ergo not more dangerous in and of themselves ( though Antifa probably are) but they are messing with the checks and balances and therefore are the catalyst. Queer Theory and CRT are as dangerous than any other extreme ideology and far more pervasive.

I believe that if he isn't seen actively taking notes on the attack on his own self as it happens, that's shows that he endorsed his own beating, correct?

For those who haven't seen the attack on Andy Ngo, the some of it was captured on film, and can be found on

To help distinguish between the participants, the small, gay, Asian American journalist being attacked is the agent of homophobia and white supremacy, whilst the masked people attacking him are peaceful protesters, opposed to the right-wing violence which he is using to threaten them.

The 'milkshake' contained quick-drying cement.

I'm tickled that the evidence against this journalist was that he was at some group of dubious people and he wasn't obviously standing there taking notes in Pitman's shorthand in full view of everyone.

Well, case closed then. Everyone knows investigative journalists come to meetings and just get the notebook out.

PotholeParadies Yes. He is Asian, openly gay and an independent journalist. At least two of those things would have had him murdered in Nazi Germany.

Even if he were, I still wouldn't wish a beating on Ngo. Since when do we meet extremist views with self sanctioned violence? What does that achieve?

I don't know much about him. I followed him on Twitter because he was capturing some remarkable footage on his go-pro. The attack on him by antifa was terrible.

If there is evidence that he is a 'literal nazi' then please can we have it? Please can we have it swiftly because I've just bought his book - and because the reviews said there are some amazing photos in there I bought a physical copy instead of kindle, so it's not too late to cancel my order if you're quick.

I watched his most recent triggernometry interview earlier in which he described himself as a conservative. I understand that US conservative tends to be to the right of UK conservative.

I don't care. There are no neutral sources. I'm happy to read Andy Ngo and what antifa have to say, just like I'm happy to read the Times and the Guardian and the Morning Star and the Daily Mail ... and do my own fact checking and make up my own mind.

Unless he's a 'literal nazi' obviously. It would be great to see the evidence of this in time to cancel my book order.

Hibari I don't actually know who Andy Ngo is, and I have been reading this thread with interest.

But I do have some preconceptions about what a "literal Nazi" is, and I'm finding it incredible to believe a contemporary American journalist has a membership card. So I'm a bit confused there.

Would you like to explain what you think a Nazi is, please? I think it would help discussion.

When I was growing up almost half of the local Asian shops had to permanently board their windows and were covered in swastika and National Front symbol graffiti.

And in America at the moment many minority-owned shops are boarded up and graffitied for different reasons - or at least, the graffiti affects a different political allegiance, but it's worth considering whether we should allow anti-fascists to self-identify.

Hibari

I know nothing about Ngo. Could you give me some examples of him being 'a literal nazi'?

Just for clarity: you and a couple of other people saying 'he's a nazi' is not an acceptable example.