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What do you think of Andy Ngo?

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ThroughTheBarsOfARhyme · 10/03/2021 21:12

This is a bit of a tenuous link to feminism, it’s probably more about free speech, but I saw that a member of Mumford & Sons was criticised for praising his book (about antifa) and that his book had previously been banned from Amazon. It seems a bit like TRA tactics and a similar response to Abigail Shrier’s book. I’ve just bought his book to read but I was interested in other’s opinions of him and/or the book. Is he speaking the truth and people are trying to suppress it (similar with feminists) or is he exaggerating and not someone to praise?
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/mumford-sons-winston-marshall-taking-time-to-examine-blindspots-after-praising-andy-ngos-unmasked-book-12241592

I appreciate this really isn’t feminism so I will ask for it to be moved if people think it should be.

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Hibari · 12/03/2021 07:00

What she went through is horrific and not something anyone should ever be subjected to.

But she's talking about anti-white racism and how great Parler is. Gonna take her anti-left comments with a bag or two of salt.

satishoused · 12/03/2021 06:12

The grovelling apology from Winston Marshall is by far the most chilling and troubling aspect of this.

I agree. Why should someone have to apologise for reading a book??

Childrenofthestones · 12/03/2021 05:47

Dr Ella Hill was groomed, gang raped and prostituted as a teenager by one of the UK Asin gangs for over a year. Eventually her family got her away from them and moved her to another part of the country. She rebuilt her life, moved on and now campaigns to get it stopped .
Antifa have hounded this woman, sending multiple death threats, doxing her, her children and family and friends. She lives in constant fear of Antifa or gang members finding her and attacking her or her family, yet this amazing young mother continues to fight to protect the children going through this.
Simply because she is white and the r*pists are BAME, Antifa go out of their way to try to make her daily existence hell.
Please watch this brave woman in this interview

If you can show me a left wing reporter regularly putting his life on the line to bring the truth about antifa I'll gladly consider avoiding Ngo's writings, but in the meantime I see nobody else doing it.

Hibari · 12/03/2021 05:06

@PotholeParadies

Just the ones with nazi tattoos, waving swastika flags and throwing out nazi salutes.

Yeah, the word you're looking for is LARPer. Or thug. Maybe Neo-Nazi if they're organised enough to have someone who can operate Microsoft excel and maintain a membership list.

But Nazis they are not.

How'd the saying go....

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time"?

SmokedDuck · 12/03/2021 03:57

He almost reminds me of Roger Moore, although from a different part of the political spectrum.

He says some things that are probably worthwhile, and sometimes you can get some useful stuff from him, and he is probably doing what he thinks is worthy. But you know he may be fudging things, because he thinks the ends justifies the means, and you can't trust them.

He's also been inappropriately vilified as is common these days.

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:50

They try to graffiti Nazi slogans on things and they can't spell half the words in a 3-word slogan. And they kid themselves they'd be living it up as part of the master race if Hitler had won the war.

JohnRokesmith · 12/03/2021 02:43

The actual Nazis hated the thuggish types who identify as Nazis in the modern world. Cannon fodder was the best they could expect, but a lot were sent off to concentration camps under the criminal or antisocial categories.

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:38

Tangential question, has anyone ever seen a modern be-swastika'd Nazi wannabe that they think would have been treated as any more than cannon fodder? Even when I was a kid, and the thugs were 3 times my size, they were so clearly overcompensating for something. Like lack of personal hygiene, and having been turned down for the British Army after answering the name question wrongly on the application form

LangClegsInSpace · 12/03/2021 02:30

This is stuck in my head

What do you think of Andy Ngo?
PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:27

This is going through my head, so I thought I'd share.

UsedUpUsername · 12/03/2021 02:26

@Hibari

So... is mumsnet alt right now?

Because it looks pretty alt right based on this.

Oh no! Some people on Mumsnet hold opinions I don’t like!

Unclench those pearls why don’t you?

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:17

Educational poster, here.

theoatmeal.com/comics/literally

LangClegsInSpace · 12/03/2021 02:13

I gave you the information you need to do your own research.

No. You're the one saying he's a literal nazi, it's your job to back that up with evidence.

It shouldn't be difficult, you seem very certain so you must have compelling evidence.

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:12

Just the ones with nazi tattoos, waving swastika flags and throwing out nazi salutes.

Yeah, the word you're looking for is LARPer. Or thug. Maybe Neo-Nazi if they're organised enough to have someone who can operate Microsoft excel and maintain a membership list.

But Nazis they are not.

Hibari · 12/03/2021 02:09

...and for the record: Every single one of them at the rally in Charlottesville was AT LEAST comfortable with Swastika flags being flown along side theirs.

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 02:09

This is really important! I may have inadvertently bought a book by a literal nazi but without any evidence how can I know?

If he is, you should demand use of the time machine he must have used to go back to the 3rd Reich in order to apply for Party membership.

Actually, you could get a book about a literal Nazi instead! Get Schindler's Ark, which is about Oskar Schindler, who was a card-carrying Nazi member. Possibly the only Nazi party member to be amongst those memorialised at Yad Vashem.

Hibari · 12/03/2021 02:08

@LangClegsInSpace

See: still no evidence presented

This is really important! I may have inadvertently bought a book by a literal nazi but without any evidence how can I know?

I gave you the information you need to do your own research.

At BEST. If you're willing to give him a lot more benefit of doubt than I am. Ngo is another Milo Yiannopoulos.

You think the word Nazi is a catch-all for any right wing organisation, or something?

Just the ones with nazi tattoos, waving swastika flags and throwing out nazi salutes.
Well, a few sensible enough to hide behind respectability too.

LangClegsInSpace · 12/03/2021 02:08

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.

Why don't you tell us? Why don't you provide evidence for any of the allegations or vague insinuations you are making about this man?

More importantly, why don't you explain why it's OK for antifa to treat a human being like that?

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 01:59

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.

I don't expect it'll be worse than what I had to read about the torture masquerading as science that took place at the camps.

PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 01:56

Hibari

So...

You think the word Nazi is a catch-all for any right wing organisation, or something?

Get a history book? Perhaps you're American and you have zero, but zero cultural references outside America? I'd let "neo-nazi" pass, but Nazi?

Over here (this is a UK site), Nazi means the party of Adolf Hitler. It means assembly line, industrialised murder. It means the starvation of the French civilians during the occupation, the concentration camps, the forced marches, the horrific experimentation on children, the murder of Jews, communists, gay men, Roma, disabled people. The annexation of Austria, the Danish protectorate, finding a Stolperstein by accident in a German pavement, Anne Frank applying for refuge to America (it was refused), the memorials near German universities that mark where academic protests were suppressed in the 1930s. It means Yad Vashem. It means memorials marking the spot where a Spitfire pilot crashed his plane and sacrificed his life in order to avoid hitting a school. It means all those things and more.

The Nazi party doesn't exist any more. American wannabees are not Nazis, and most of them look like their applications to join would have been refused.

LangClegsInSpace · 12/03/2021 01:56

@StrangeLookingParasite

I don't need any media, right, left or otherwise to tell me what disgusting, violent and idiotic thugs both antifa and black bloc are. Thanks to them, I know what tear gas is like, and got to expérience having a water cannon outside my building's front door.
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LangClegsInSpace · 12/03/2021 01:49

See: still no evidence presented

This is really important! I may have inadvertently bought a book by a literal nazi but without any evidence how can I know?

Triggerpod · 12/03/2021 01:48

FWIW, Andy is one of the most honest people we've ever had on the show.

Hibari · 12/03/2021 01:46

@PotholeParadies

I have seen video evidence of a small journalist being set on by a baying mob, I can actually see that mixture setting into strands and Sky News say it was cement.

You could tell me that the video was taken on an escaped Nazi member's camcorder, it still wouldn't make that scene less terrifying.

I watched that and I was scared for him. Rooting for him to get out of there and be allowed to proceed out of shot.

Look up some of the things he had to say about George Floyd and see how long your sympathy lasts.
PotholeParadies · 12/03/2021 01:41

I have seen video evidence of a small journalist being set on by a baying mob, I can actually see that mixture setting into strands and Sky News say it was cement.

You could tell me that the video was taken on an escaped Nazi member's camcorder, it still wouldn't make that scene less terrifying.

I watched that and I was scared for him. Rooting for him to get out of there and be allowed to proceed out of shot.

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