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A new definition of female, brought to you by twitter.

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PotholeParadies · 10/03/2021 14:08

A female academic has posed this question

Please explain to me how a fully transitioned trans woman, who has breasts and a vagina, has orgasms and experiences the sex act in the same way my body does, should be forced to put male, not female, on the census, just because that is on her birth certificate.

Jane Clare Jones has already been on the case, but I thought we might also enjoy taking that apart.

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StanfordPines · 10/03/2021 17:36

@PotholeParadies

"Enjoy ur erasure" Shon is filling out data gathering documents to say Shon is female and identifies as a woman?

So as far as anyone will know from the census, Shon was born female and never had to do any fighting for trans rights or anything? Shon is literally covering up the existence of trans people?

Okay. Well, if you want to erase yourself...

Well that is what I was thinking.

If every trans person fills out the form with sex as the gender they have transitioned to, with no mention of their birth sex, they the statistics will read that there are no trans people. Surely that isn’t going to help anyone.
If the government get back details saying that 1% of the population is trans as opposed to 10% (numbers made up) then they would cut so much funding for trans support groups etc.

ChiefBabySniffer · 10/03/2021 17:29

@toolatetofixate

Vaginas are self cleaning. How does that work with a neo-vagina?

Don't mean to derail the thread I'm just Hmmat the assertion that a surgically created "vagina" is being compared to genuine female anatomy and experience.

Neicaginas are most certainly not self cleaning. They are often malodorous and contain fecal bacteria. I feel serious stories for anybody that has had the surgery tbh. They are absent of candida and I find that odd as yeast is literally in the air and can colonise a flour sample and make bread but can't colonise an artificial pocket of inverted penile skin. Looking at the surgery techniques and there's is very little muscle involved. It certainly doesn't contract , stretch or self clean and would need to be rinsed as well as stretched/dilated very frequently.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2695466/

toolatetofixate · 10/03/2021 17:22

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Eteri · 10/03/2021 17:21

@Helleofabore

Eteri

thanks Eteri. That is interesting. So the phrase inferring a wet vagina is probably factually not possible naturally. Good to know.

I hope the best for your daughter and their friends. It must be a very difficult choice, made even more difficult by some degree of mixed information.

It would probably be adequate lubercation for the likes of finger penetration, but for intercourse? No, I wouldn't say so, and if my dd ever DID decide to go down that path I hope she wouldn't be stupid enougj to try it without a shit tone of water based lube.

Thank you.

Cailleach1 · 10/03/2021 17:18

@FlamedToACrisp

Please explain to me how a fully transitioned trans woman... should be forced to put male, not female, on the census, just because that is on her birth certificate.

How about: because the question is asking what sex you were registered at birth, not what sex do you think you are?

Is this not illegal if they don't possess a GRC?

I know that there will be a further case wrt the integrity of the birth sex, but as of now, it is sex on birth cert or that 'reassigned' in GRC only.

KettlePolly · 10/03/2021 17:17

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PotholeParadies · 10/03/2021 17:17

Oh my.

Look at these images and quotes someone has supplied in their quote tweet of her. Shock

twitter.com/Ezrx0x/status/1369639861850890240?s=19

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Helleofabore · 10/03/2021 17:14

Eteri

thanks Eteri. That is interesting. So the phrase inferring a wet vagina is probably factually not possible naturally. Good to know.

I hope the best for your daughter and their friends. It must be a very difficult choice, made even more difficult by some degree of mixed information.

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PotholeParadies · 10/03/2021 17:12

@SunsetBeetch

I think probably the majority of us don't even use twitter, except to read things.
What with the nesting of comments and the character limit, it's horrible for having a conversation. I like here, where we can break off to discuss bread pudding.

Iwishihadariver how is the pudding?

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Helleofabore · 10/03/2021 17:10

But here you are acknowledging the reality you would like to silence us over.

It really is mind-boggling isn't it. The right to fully deny reality.

Deliriumoftheendless · 10/03/2021 17:09

Do they worry about/hope to get pregnant?

Not the same as me then.

Eteri · 10/03/2021 17:09

@Helleofabore

So Eteri, I know that you may not know, but I have seen on another thread that you have discussed the neo-vagina.

There are no muscle walls is there?

And it is not self-lubricating is it? If so, where is the mucus produced?

Thanks.

Whether it's self-lubricating depends upon the technique used. The penial inversion actually does have some level of self-lubrication because the peritoneum membrane that it is grafted to naturally produces fluid. Is it enough for comfortable penetration? No, especially considering a neovagina is more delicate than a natalvagina.

I don't actually know about the muscle? I would assume so, but would it contract like a natalvagina? Probably not.

Helleofabore · 10/03/2021 17:08

toolatetofixate

I don't consider it a derail. It is more of a gathering of facts without interfering with predictive ads.... I really don't want predictive ads about peens....

nauticant · 10/03/2021 17:05

I'm not sure that "we'll lie about our sex and there's nothing you can do about it" is quite the gotcha they think it is.

Yes, we know you're going to lie. Yes, we know the authorities won't make a martyr out of you. But here you are acknowledging the reality you would like to silence us over.

toolatetofixate · 10/03/2021 17:04

Vaginas are self cleaning. How does that work with a neo-vagina?

Don't mean to derail the thread I'm just Hmmat the assertion that a surgically created "vagina" is being compared to genuine female anatomy and experience.

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PotholeParadies · 10/03/2021 17:01

Wha? What's with the self-pity? I'm sure Paris Lees has a GRC!

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SunsetBeetch · 10/03/2021 17:00

More TRAs determined to shoot themselves in the foot.

A new definition of female, brought to you by twitter.
A new definition of female, brought to you by twitter.
toolatetofixate · 10/03/2021 16:54

@Soubriquet

Oooo someone has dobbed us in

Grass Grin

Ugh. Is this going to end up like that asugar thread last week?

SunsetBeetch · 10/03/2021 16:54

I think probably the majority of us don't even use twitter, except to read things.

LurkyMcLurkLurk · 10/03/2021 16:54

Isn't it a bit transphobic that she is only concerned about the impact on fully transitioned transwomen? I thought surgery was not necessary to qualify for womanhood? And where is her concern for transmen?

Helleofabore · 10/03/2021 16:54

Soubriquet

Quite!

Envy Envy Not envy

I thought something was wrong with me for decades until I read about the 'low cervix' effect. Again .... just another thing that was never discussed for ever.

And women feeling they somehow inferior and isolated.

HermitsLife · 10/03/2021 16:52

Biology is a fundamentalist movement.

toolatetofixate · 10/03/2021 16:51

@Eteri

toolatetofix

A neovagina needs to be dilated twice a day for about an hour at a time to prevent the scars from the skin graft inside the vagina from constricting. And it's not like a dildo, there's nothing pleasurable about it, they're these plastic tubes that come in 3-4 sizes, and they need to be swapped out to stretch the canel to the right size and depth.
This process decreases to a few days a week after the first couple of years, and you may only need one or two dilator sizes, but it's something that needs to be done regularly for the rest of their lives.

Wow. That's awful.

Yep, that sounds fuck all like a woman's experience.

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PotholeParadies · 10/03/2021 16:46

By the way, Ann, you know your mate has 45k+ followers, yes?

Her tweets aren't a well kept secret.

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Soubriquet · 10/03/2021 16:46

@Helleofabore

And I am sure that no transwomen experience that nausea with sex at times of the month when the cervix is low either. That is a very interesting side effect of the cervix.
EnvyEnvy

Quite

Especially when it goes too deep and it’s painful.