Womb Transplants

intriguing.

where will the womb fit in a male pelvis. will the male pelvis be able to accomodate a growing womb/foetus?
what about stretching ligaments holding the pelvis together?
what about increased blood volume?
what about stretching skin, will that stretch in the same way? (more likely to get stretch marks?
what about the muscles in the tummy,, will they split in the middle in men more than in women?
will ribs be able to move outwards in men?
what about the bladder?
will the spine be able to bend as in women?
teeth and calcium as mentioned above
immune response as mentioned.

so many things to solve in addition to transfer of the womb.

'
It feels a whole lot more scientifically likely that we'll figure out brain transplants, so someone born male who wants to carry a baby would just use a whole women's body.'

Well that's surrogacy isn't it? Without the brain transplant hassle.

Pregnancy affects a while lot more than a uterus alone. I don't think anyone could get ethics approval to trial womb transplants. Thankfully.

It feels a whole lot more scientifically likely that we'll figure out brain transplants, so someone born male who wants to carry a baby would just use a whole women's body.

You are an optimist!

No because they don't really see women as people. They don't care how we suffer by their rules.

Sorry.

I agree with you completely. But won't that reveal all the excuses for policing women as the tissue thin BS that they are?

There's only so far you can push the boundaries before something snaps in one direction or the other.

They won't though will they.

They still get treated as male (except the small number who genuinely pass in every way in real life).

So there's no chance of that happening.

The other point here is that plenty of pregnant women and or their foetuses.

Are harmed by men's actions- violence etc. I don't see many prosecutions but maybe they aren't reported (optimistic).

And it's now known that older fathers are a risk for various issues with the baby. Oh and a higher chance of miscarriage. Do they go to prison in el Salvador? (Rhetorical!)

My other question with all this is why just transwomen?

The are men who would like to carry a baby. Eg those who want more children but their female partner doesn't want another pregnancy.

What of them?

I'm sure some gay couples would take this option as well.

Why just transwomen?

Yawning you're jumping the gun rather!

El Salvador women have been sent to prison for life for miscarrying.
USA women have gone to prison for foetal homicide for eg attempting suicide with an overdose while pregnant.

This specific type of oppression of women is not universal.

In those countries/ states where this applies I don't think transwomen (or gay men etc) are particularly accepted tbh.

I assume a transwoman in a state like that would move if they wanted to get pregnant.

In el Salvador my guess is that it would be incredibly dangerous so either wouldn't happen, or they would seek refuge in another country to be pregnant and have s child.

However your hypothetical is pointless because this is sci fi stuff. Not going to happen. If it does it's s very very very long way off.

Also the point of the laws about this type of thing is misogyny. They are to control women. I suspect in the unlikely event that s country that has laws like this is in favour of transwomen being pregnant, they would not be subject to the same oppression.

Wow. Previous thought got policed really fast.

Utterly true, but they insist that they are.

In the event that it were to happen, what you have to wonder is would they suddenly become biological essentialists? I think they absolutely would.

'A cross-sex implant is not imminent'

So you believe it can be done.

And not imminently surely means not in the immediate future but also not miles down the line.

Why do you have that opinion?

Yes...I know. They are female.

This thread is about people with standard male bodies isn't it?

Women with DSDs - these are women with MRKH and other differences of sexual development (also known as intersex) that have had an impact on their womb so they've had a transplant procedure. (Examples where these women have had transplants and given birth have been cited earlier in the thread.)

The implant/transplant issue has been explained as clearly as is possible. I know it's unclear.

A cross-sex implant is not imminent - there is a lot of research that would have to happen in this area. However, the research was halted in Sweden because of COVID–19 and it's now resuming. Allegedly, there are research centres in the US about to start up in this area.

There are several relevant papers posted earlier in the thread.

Also, where will the wombs come from? A lot of women don't want their wombs to go to men, and would rather opt out of organ donation than allow that to happen.

This! I would rather give no organs at all than risk my womb being transplanted into a man. I'm not even sure how I feel about transplantation of organs that aren't essential for living anyway but I'm wholeheartedly keen to donate what I don't need when I die bar this. I just feel like it's part of the wider commodification of women's reproductive abilities.

I think discussion around this is pure propaganda and fantasy. All the mechanisms of pregnancy aren't fully understood in females never mind trying to do it in a male body not equipped for it.

As someone up thread said they'd have a better chance with head transplants.

Sweden is researching a uterus procedure for transwomen. I don't know anything about legal or medical definitions of 'transwomen' in Sweden.

'It wouldn't surprise me at all to hear it's probably easier, cheaper and more viable to gestate a child in a synthetic uterus in a lab than by transplanting a uterus into a male. And that would be horrific.'

Like I said earlier growing babies without women has been a long time male preoccupation which is all over books films etc for an awfully long time.

The bag approach also is the same misogynist underestimating of the part the woman's body plays.

Hearing her voice. The only thing the baby knows for months is her heartbeat. Oxygen and nutrient levels varying though a variety of complex mechanisms.

Will a bag produce a child that is emotionally, psychologically, even physically as healthy?

There is a not small number of men who fetishise the pregnant body isn't there?