Conversion Therapy and a Survey of 25,896 LGBTQ youth

Denying AGP, denying HSTS, denying the overrepresentation of autism, denying ROGD.

In an attempt to outlaw questioning and challenge as 'conversion therapy'.

How do you think it is going to go down with parents here, if you say they are not allowed to question whether or not their daughter is a boy?

It's too late for all this denial.

It's DeTrans Awareness Day, for heavens sake.

There's even an entire day devoted to questioning gender ideology.

It's too late.

So shizuku. Have you got some evidence to support the assertion that transwomen are female?

And would you be willing to stake a transwoman’s life on that evidence in a medical situation?

Gender identity is something we have known about forever - scientists are way beyond wondering if it exists - they know it exists, so they now study things like it's [its -sic] origins and development

Really? When was it first mentioned then? Plato? Aristotle? Aquinas? Averroes? Or is it more, like, Twitter forever?

ROGD is a conspiracy theory popular in transphobic circles. With the exception of occasional, tarns-obsessed outliers like Blanchard (read his Twitter timeline), no one in academia takes it seriously.

These clinicians take it seriously:

Hutchinson, A., Midgen, M. & Spiliadis, A. In Support of Research Into Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria. Arch Sex Behav 49, 79–80 (2020). doi.org/10.1007/s10508-019-01517-9

A direct quote from this letter:

"Unless we are free to discuss, explore, and research differential presentations of gender dysphoria, the range of interventions which might best serve each young person may not be available to them. We do not think that this is good enough for our patients. We are grateful to the academics and researchers involved in this much needed, though difficult, conversation about how to continue to do our best for all of those who seek our help."

It's person's own innate sense of what sex they are.

The sense that they are one sex, when they categorically are not? But nonetheless, they need all the rights, protocols, and access based on the sex they are not? And you are saying that disagreeing with this is conversion therapy?

Have I got that right?

How much is "innately knowing" your sex, and how much is socialisation into your sex class?

ROGD is a conspiracy theory popular in transphobic circles.

Dear lord. It doesn't take long does it. You do realise, that there are numerous women on here, whose children have ROGD?

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Gender identity is something we have known about forever - scientists are way beyond wondering if it exists - they know it exists, so they now study things like it's origins and development.

Really? I thought it was John Money who first started talking about gender identity when he was carrying out his abusive experiments on children.

Do you have any links to these studies about gender identity which actually explain what it is, since you seem to be unable to provide a definition.

If puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and surgery were all so benign then why did Crispin Blunt and the other members of the APPG on Global LGB and T+ Rights state in their policy document that doctors and medics prescribing and operating should be exempt from being sued by detransitioners? It's a tenet of medical practice here in the UK that doctors should do no harm — and if they do harm, they need to be held to account. What other branch of medicine or surgery is exempt from consequences for those medics who behave recklessly or in their own interest?

Blunt and his friends know there's a tsunami of legal claims on the way.

Your evidence?

You're asking me for the lack of evidence of something you can't define, describe, verify or ascertain? 🙄

Come on Shizuku explain it in really simple terms for us. What is a gender identity? Is it more than just knowing your sex is whichever of the two it is, and if so, how?

You're trying to say gender identity is a concept in its own right. But you have no way of describing it, verifying it, or even ascertaining it.

What is it ?

I'd like a coherent answer to this question, too.

Once again, conversion therapy would be any attempt to change a person's gender identity. If by exploring their mental health issues, they realise they are not trans, no problem, but if the therapists attempt techniques to force a person's gender identity to change, big problem.

Meaningless. A gender identity can be the result of trauma, but you're trying to make out that it's something separate. It isn't. It can be internalised homophobia. It can be a sense of not fitting in due to autism.

You're trying to make words fit a concept that you cannot define and cannot explain.

You're trying to say gender identity is a concept in its own right. But you have no way of describing it, verifying it, or even ascertaining it.

What is it ?

One of the biggest complaints that trans people have is the incredible length of time trans kids have to wait just to speak to someone. All the support is wanted and needed and is not considered conversion therapy.

Dear lord. Hordes of transactivists on Twitter have just said that they are not going to allow trans people to be counted, in order to allocate resources.

Constant contradictions. It's chaotic.

Shizuku

Does it never occur to you that the number of people who know trans people, can see for themselves, how those people conform to what Blanchard says?

And he has added ROGD to his analysis. Do you have any idea, any at all how many parents of children with ROGD are posting here? This is first hand experience.

So, if it's not ROGD, not AGP, not HSTS, or gender dysphoria. what is it?

Why would people have a different gender identity to their sex?

What do you think about all the detransitioner stories today?

How would you ensure people like them don't transition in future?

In your links there is very little information about lessons learned from detransitioners. Weird. Normally scientist are obsessed with understanding patients for whom the treatment fails. It helps them to do better differential diagnosis.

How come only no other countries have come out with the same results? As we have seen recently Europeans are really very good at medical research. We are a liberal bunch too, much more so than Americans. So why is American research out on its own? Why is it so shoddy, as previous posters describe? Aren't you worried about trans identifying children potentially being given unhelpful treatments?

14 pages of thoughtful, reasoned discussion and questions from posters and the OP's response is..."lol"?

The American Academy of Pediatrics article the OP links to is an opinion piece that does not reference any scientific evidence.

American and UK children are indeed the same species. However American and UK children do not experience the same societal influences, political climate or health care system.