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Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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Xanthangum · 08/03/2021 18:01

  1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons
  1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am
  1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

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CardinalLolzy · 09/03/2021 18:30

My rubbish attempt at a joke, testing!

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 18:29

Daily Mail have covered FPFW

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9343075/High-Court-judge-orders-guidance-Census-sex-question-rewritten.html

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testingmitb · 09/03/2021 18:25

Eh?

CardinalLolzy · 09/03/2021 18:25

@testingmitb

Who was the gentleman coaching his question in a leading fashion to Graham? The one who seemed to be insinuating that there was no smoke without fire in regard to Glinner being banned from several platforms?
I don't know, but I've heard he doesn't indicate at roundabouts
testingmitb · 09/03/2021 18:20

Couching, sorry.

testingmitb · 09/03/2021 18:19

Who was the gentleman coaching his question in a leading fashion to Graham? The one who seemed to be insinuating that there was no smoke without fire in regard to Glinner being banned from several platforms?

Mollyollydolly · 09/03/2021 18:13

Just bought Glinner a coffee. They both did well today.

Novina · 09/03/2021 18:11

stuckinatrap
"The Gay issue was also a straw man and I wish Helen or Graham had actually been able to face it head on (I'm not surprised they didn't, though). The parallel is not a fair one and, actually, the more similar scenario would be gay men and lesbians being thrown off platforms while leaving up the homophobic bullying rather than what he was trying to suggest - which is banning the homophobes.

"The issue is - again - definitions. If SM platforms don't get to the absolute definition of what constitutes real transphobia, then it is always open to interpretation and giving in to cries of hurt feelings."

I thought this would have been a great point in the session to elucidate the distinction between criticising ideas and criticising people. It is entirely possible to criticise, even quite harshly, an idea or philosophy or ideology without getting into personal criticism or attacks. The trouble is that it is convenient to elide these two, if you want to silence a critic by claiming a personal attack. It is something I notice amongst certain groups of activists in general. They get more leverage by claiming hurt from a personal attack (even when it wasn't) than by defending their arguments and positions.

It's like Maya says: people always deserve respect (at least as a starting point). Ideas never desreve respect. They are - or should be - all open to robust challenge.

BitOfFun · 09/03/2021 18:11

Thanks so much Flowers.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 09/03/2021 18:10

The trending hashtag on twitter is pathetic. No argument, as per, just hastags, slogans and memes. Wow, I'm definitely persuaded of the error of my ways now

If screenshots are taken, might this come back to bite the TRAs in the bum? They are actually evidencing what Glinner and Helen are claiming.

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 18:10

Lord Hunt tweet on FPFW ONS win:

I expect the implications of this will go far and wide. Many public bodies will need to reconsider their policies

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 18:08

No Harry outcome till tomorrow I'm afraid @BitOfFun

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CardinalLolzy · 09/03/2021 18:08

BitOfFun Flowers Harry's case is To Be Continued tomorrow...

BitOfFun · 09/03/2021 18:05

I am absolutely shattered; my eyes are closing (cancer treatment). Can somebody very kindly tell me what the Harry The Owl result was please, so I can go for my NanaNap™?

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/03/2021 18:02

@FindTheTruth

Embarrasing thanks that twitter thread is so sad. scientists not allowed to talk about biology. good god. but also shines a light - worth a thread that.
If you have the time - please, do. I have to turn things off and do a mass of work tonight or I'd be here soaking up the happiness.
OvaHere · 09/03/2021 18:02

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greatpurplepolkadots · 09/03/2021 17:59

Thanks FindTheTruth - I donated because it is important regardless of where you live but it would be a nice plus if Scotland could become more sensible again as well as a result!

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 17:58

Embarrasing thanks that twitter thread is so sad. scientists not allowed to talk about biology. good god. but also shines a light - worth a thread that.

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 17:58

I am just so bowled over by the Swift judgment and just the fact that Helen and Graham were giving evidence, let alone how precise and important it was.

Glad I was justified in starting the thread. Properly chuffed! Just hoping Harry's result is similar.

Barman! Gin for everyone!

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Bellringer · 09/03/2021 17:54

Thanku for this thread

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 17:54

@greatpurplepolkadots

....does this mean anything for Scotland?
don't know about the legal side but it will be a factor when ONS and NISRA and NRS discuss aligning data
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 09/03/2021 17:52

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Gerla · 09/03/2021 17:51

Thank you Helen, thank you Glinner.Thank you for fighting so hard for us all.

Hear, hear.

greatpurplepolkadots · 09/03/2021 17:49

....does this mean anything for Scotland?

titchy · 09/03/2021 17:48

@PronounssheRa

What mimmy is suggesting will harm trans people.

And once the guidance is changed if they follow mimmymummys advice they will be committing an offence.

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