Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

It’s out already
twitter.com/lnmackenzie1/status/1369342344298967047?s=21

Yes, Cailleach1; that freedom of speech in a sense that a courtroom ensures and the formal rules that one side speaks and then the other and no one is shouted down and justice is done and is seen to be done is a really important part of our system.

I hope the new guidance is out by tomorrow because it is going to be very hard to convince what presumably are 100% committed to "self identity by passport" civil servants to follow the judgment.

Oh and also well done everyone!

I don't even understand what the objection is.

Having accurate data on both sex and transgender status gives a full picture.

Thus they can plan for both sex related stuff (maternity, nursery places, how many elderly women will be in the population etc) and trans related stuff (numbers, whether non binary etc) and plan accordingly for that.

The idea of collecting both is a no no, always.

At work our D&I group said 'you can't ask sex!' (even with a prefer not to say) only gender id.

So if you have a non binary person saying they have experienced sexism for example, you've got no idea which way it goes.

Who does that help?

The gender critical case can withstand robust challenge. For sure.

I think it was despite Colville that Graham got his point across, though. It was rather snide.

How wonderful for all this to be aired in real life, with the issues being properly and reasonably discussed. Without being blocked or banned.

Safe in the knowledge that the GRA doesn't even try to pretend to believe in the concept of gender identity over biological sex when it comes to men and hereditary peerages.

Funny that

I bought glinner several drinks this evening.

I want to buy Helen a drink. Anyone know which pub or garden centre I can find her in?

I thought it was good that Colville took that line. If I were coming to this cold I would wonder about glinner being banned on many platforms. Asking the question in a somewhat hostile manner meant it got tackled head on.

Several important points came out. Leveraging of one ban to drive others. Medium being owned by Twitter. Mob mentality. Opacity of decision making. A mob goal of reputational damage based on no actual evidence of actual hatred.

I am glad the questioning was robust not sycophantic. Yes, I even welcomed seeing their irritation at glinner's tendency to go off on a tangent without always properly answering their question.

Helen was outstanding at answering the questions in a way likely to drive legislative change.

The last thing I want is for government to swap one kind of group think for another. Robust debate is desperately needed. No sacred cows. No high priests. No golden boys or girls. The gender critical case can withstand robust challenge. Bring it on.

They were both fantastic - if they are reading this thread, then thank you so much.

These lines from that Daily Mail article:

Dr Nicola Williams, director of Fair Play for Women, accused the trans lobby group of putting pressure on statisticians, saying: ‘The ONS has been captured by Stonewall. It's a complete stitch up.

‘The ONS is unlawfully messing around with the definition of sex and allowing self identification through the back door.’

Stonewall - the trans lobby group. Say what you see DM.

How did this not result in legal action the first time round? Madness that AC feels safe to bring it back now. I'd dig for Helen against a real liar.

Yeah, I went on Twitter to see about that glinner trending hashtag. Very little use of it, about 2k uses and when I clicked through I saw two main categories of tweet as in the pic attached. Bizarre to be in Trending.

Meanwhile #Census2021 is all over the place but is not in their "Trending"

The lack of transparency coupled with such odd results does make it look like a deliberate attempt by Twitter to shape public opinion

You can thank Glinner directly
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4187670-My-statement-in-the-House-of-Lords-today

This is great news! They were brilliant. Another coffee in.

I’ve just explained what’s been going on with this ti DH. He was puzzled and then appalled

“But but what’s the point of doing the census if you don’t get accurate data?”

He’s up for donating yo future crowd funders 😁

@littlebillie

I want to high 5 everyone

🖐

Thanks @StPaulsCathedral for the Glinner link. Thank you @glinner for your voice.

Is there any way to dig for Helen too?

I want to high 5 everyone

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/09/uk-census-guidance-answer-sex-question-must-rewritten-high-court/

I've never trusted the twitter trending algorithm. It has that Glinner hashtag, which has increased by a few hundred tweets in the last hour trending higher than the tens of thousands of various tweets about Piers Morgan than have happened in the last 20 minutes.

I love, really love, being able to support people like Glinner for what they are doing for women. It's like my hobby 😀.

I put some money in for coffee, makes a change from digging 😉

Wow, so much good stuff happening at the moment!