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Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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Xanthangum · 08/03/2021 18:01

  1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons
  1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am
  1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

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AdHominemNonSequitur · 09/03/2021 10:44

In 2016 ONS said in its research paper "sex, as biologically determined, is one of the most important variables collected.. it is critical that data collected for gender identity does not adversely impact sex data"

This is the claimants case. That is now does. /6

AdHominemNonSequitur · 09/03/2021 10:44

Explaining how small misclassifications of males as females can have large distorting effects on female stats. Gives examples regarding crime, education and employment. /5

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 10:43

*In 2016 ONS said in its research paper "sex, as biologically determined, is one of the most important variables collected.. it is critical that data collected for gender identity does not adversely impact sex data"

This is the claimants case. That is now does.*

Wow. How are they going to defend expressly contradicting their own research?

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AdHominemNonSequitur · 09/03/2021 10:38

#FPFWvONSCensus

AdHominemNonSequitur · 09/03/2021 10:37

@Numicon

Are there #'s to follow for updates or live tweeting??
#FPFWvONS nothing from in court yet though
VampireTheBuffetSlayer · 09/03/2021 10:36

Thanks Xanthangum. I'm lurking in the background, as ever.

Numicon · 09/03/2021 10:33

Are there #'s to follow for updates or live tweeting??

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 10:30

JC explains that the Guidance says sex on passport and other documents is not legal sex. Gender markers can be updated according to self-declared gender identity and NOT legal sex /4

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 10:25

Claimants Counsel sets out the legal arguments.
Census law mandates citizens to answer "What is your sex" according to their legal sex (birth or acquired by GRC).

Guidance conflates and confuses the concepts of sex and gender identity /3

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 10:25

Sorry @findthetruth you beat me to it!

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 10:24

Well it's going ahead after technical issues. Permission for live tweeting granted. I don't intend to just copy everything being said, but I will try and put important highlights up

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FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 10:23

Judge in charge of the Administrative Court Mr Justice Swift (same Judge as MoJ prisons case I think)

the tweets above are from FPFW

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 10:21

Is there a way to watch FPFW proceedings?

I don't think so. The document below shows the cases being heard today, FPFW are before Mr Justice Swift.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/967433/Admin_court_london_list_090321_UPDATED.pdf

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Sophoclesthefox · 09/03/2021 10:20

Will be an interesting day for sure. Planting myself here to keep up, thanks for starting xanthangum

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 10:20

Permission for live tweeting granted by the Judge.
Some IT technical issues delaying the start of the hearing /2

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 10:20

Judge: Mr Justice Swift
Defence Counsel: Sir James Edie QC
Claimant Counsel: Mr Jason Coppel QC

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 09/03/2021 10:19

Is there a way to watch FPFW proceedings? I have googled, but can't find it.

It'd be a lot more interesting than whatever is going on at GMTV.

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 10:04

Indeed. FPFW: "Win or lose we have secured a victory today. Against the odds and under immense time pressure we have succeeded in getting this issue heard in court before Census Day.

ONS will be held to account today. They ignored women and data experts but they cannot ignore the court."

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CriticalCondition · 09/03/2021 10:03

Standing at the back of the virtual courtroom.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 09/03/2021 09:58

I'm actually pretty optimistic about this, even if we don't get the results we want. There are so many cases at the moment, and so many more coming. It feels like sunlight is flooding in at a rate of knots.

highame · 09/03/2021 09:40

ooh lucky. Forgot to say, this is from The Administrative Court: Judicial Review Guide

highame · 09/03/2021 09:39

If a claimant considers that any person is directly affected by the claim, they must identify that person as an interested party and serve the Claim Form on that person.A defendant must also identify in its Acknowledgement of Service a person whom the defendant considers is an interested party because the person is directly affected by the decision challenged and the Court will consider making that person an interested party when considering the application for permission to apply for judicial review. Where a person who is a potential defendant or interested party has not been named or served with the Claim Form, the Court may direct that they be added as a party, that the claim be served on that person, and the person may make representations or lodge an Acknowledgement of Service if the person so wishes.

It seems to be that the cabinet office has to be an interested party because any decision will directly affect policy. Perhaps? Any better ideas?
I think a bold fail might happen

ArabellaScott · 09/03/2021 09:16

Thanks, AdHom.

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Xanthangum · 09/03/2021 09:16

Interested Party, the Minister for The Cabinet Office? Does that mean Michael Gove will be in attendance, does anyone know?

Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day
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AdHominemNonSequitur · 09/03/2021 09:14

Ah crap. I got them infused. You are correct 10am. I'll delete my post to avoid confusion .

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