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Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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Xanthangum · 08/03/2021 18:01

  1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons
  1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am
  1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

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loveyouradvice · 09/03/2021 15:01

FairPlay for Women and Dr Nic - Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers

I am bowled over - common sense has won!

I have never felt more proud of an organisation that I support - I already give them more than I have given any other charity - and this inspires me to go and dig deep again.

They may not be asking for more money now (I don't know whether they are) - but they certainly need it going forward. They are a small organisation doing extraordinary work - lets help them do even more!

AngelaMerkelEyeRoll · 09/03/2021 15:00

Is anyone else watching the FairCop case youtube feed? I'm struggling to work out what is going on.

nauticant · 09/03/2021 15:00

One sad thing is that even if the BBC were minded to give this space on air, at the moment it would be squeezed out by the blanket obsessive coverage over Harry & Meghan.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/03/2021 15:00

Divisional court would be a hearing in front of two judges. It would be an appeal to have the interim relief set aside.

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/03/2021 14:59

Yes red

False information doesn't benefit anyone does it. I mean why would you argue to be able to act in a way that could cause harm. Makes no sense whatsoever ever . I do have ny theories but I'll he banned fir saying so I'll just say this. Facts aren't value judgement. You cant fix problems you cant see.

lifeturnsonadime · 09/03/2021 14:59

This is great work because I think this was a real attempt to bring in self ID by the back door.

I hope that the full JR outcome will reflect this decision. I can't think of any other argument, not based on Stonewall guidance but on actual data, that can be brought.

Thank goodness for FPFW and all who donated to bring light to this issue.

stuckinatrap · 09/03/2021 14:57

Whatever happens, the more court cases, questions in the Houses of Parliament and JRs where a judge says that 'because Stonewall told us to' is entirely unacceptable justification for policy, the better.

It's like when you have a spate of bad playground behaviour and every child you questions says 'X told me to do it' (X being big bully who never gets their hands dirty themselves, but manipulates all around them). It doesn't wash when you're 8 years old and in the playground and it doesn't wash in the Big Wide World either.

Let the grown ups speak.

RedDogsBeg · 09/03/2021 14:56

@Whatwouldscullydo

Great work Dr nic and Co!

Unbelievable we had to go to court to decide what Sex was Hmm

Unbelievable we had to go to Court to ensure data collection was accurate and meaningful.
Whatwouldscullydo · 09/03/2021 14:53

Great work Dr nic and Co!

Unbelievable we had to go to court to decide what Sex was Hmm

GAHgamel · 09/03/2021 14:52

Uh-oh...
JE says they may wish to appeal interim relief and can it be listed before a divisional court. /82
Judge: Permission to appeal granted if they need it /83
Judge: resume for directions hearing by 4.30pm for a one day hearing next week. Court adjourned /84

What's a divisional court, and is that likely to make any difference?

highame · 09/03/2021 14:52

That's my understanding RedDogs. The interim relief is because the Judge concluded that by their own guidance, the ONS acted unlawfully. Ayone?

nauticant · 09/03/2021 14:52

The summary by FPFW:

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1369299689846226953

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 09/03/2021 14:52

[quote ChazsBrilliantAttitude]@ItsAllGoingToBeFine
The main hearing is the Judicial Review they are planning for next week. If the outcome of that was different then the interim relief could be set aside. The judge was considering if there was an arguable case that the guidance was wrong which he was satisfied it was. In theory the JR could come to a different conclusion once all the arguments are heard but I would be surprised. I believe FPFW are challenging whether or not the GRC should be used as well or just birth sex.[/quote]
Thank you!

I believe FPFW are challenging whether or not the GRC should be used as well or just birth sex

That would be very interesting...

OvaHere · 09/03/2021 14:52

Is there an opportunity now for the ONS to admit they were unlawful in changing the guidance and therefore avoid a full JR or is it now up to the Judge?

Novina · 09/03/2021 14:51

Well, that was 30 quid well spent! Well done, Dr Nic. Fabulous woman. Flowers

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 09/03/2021 14:51

Brilliant work FPFW!

Hope someone lets NISRA know too :-)

CormorantStrike · 09/03/2021 14:50

YES! I was having a shit day but this has cheered me right up!

Thanks for all the updates Smile

RedDogsBeg · 09/03/2021 14:50

Just to make sure I understand correctly:

The Judge has awarded the interim relief and stated that the Guidance to the Census must now read Sex as on a Birth Certificate or GRC, and that must happen now.

The full Judicial Review is to prove/disprove that the ONS acted unlawfully in changing the Guidance and the terms of collecting data on the basis of sex.

Have I got that right?

highame · 09/03/2021 14:50

That post on the ONS website would be rather nice coming up in court. I don't think Judges like underhand stuff too much and they have already said if anything goes against the ONS then it's their own fault

CheeryTreeBlossom · 09/03/2021 14:49

So pleased with this ruling, and coming the day after International Women's Day no less!
The fight for women's rights never ends and I'm glad to have contributed a small amount to this case and several others currently going on. Feels like the most effective use of my ££ these days!

Thanks to FPFW for bringing this case and I hope to see it widely reported, but who knows with the media at the moment.

CriticalCondition · 09/03/2021 14:49

Brilliant result, and thank you so, so much to FPFW for taking this on. Absolute stars.

Thenagainmaybetheydont · 09/03/2021 14:49

Well done! So proud to have donated to make this happen!

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 09/03/2021 14:48

I love this response to the 'hey! everyone should fill in the census' Tweet.

'Don't forget our guidance is so shit that we've just been publicly humiliated in court'.

Ha ha ha!

Result.

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 14:48

Would love to see "bobbins" enter the legal lexicon! grin

Grin moment in history that

CorvusPurpureus · 09/03/2021 14:48

Just caught up. Fucking amazing. GinCake&Star to FPFW 🥰.

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