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Tuesday 9th March - could be a big day

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Xanthangum · 08/03/2021 18:01

  1. Helen Staniland and Glinner giving evidence to the Commons
  1. Fair Play For Women VS UK Statistics Authority at Royal Courts of Justice at 10am
  1. The Court of Appeal and Harry/ We Are Fair Cop - The Court of Appeal will examine the validity of the College of Police Hate Crimes Guidance

I wanted to start a thread where any major decisions or outcomes and links to anyone live tweeting or online footage. See you back here tomorrow!

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gardenbird48 · 09/03/2021 15:16

@ArabellaScott

Perfectly understandable, Sia. I also don't publicise my address, I am sure many women have similar reasons - how many stalkers/violent exes are there out there? Lots, is the depressing answer.
Sorry for worrying anyone about this point Sia - I was thinking along the lines of the activists claim that trans people have a need for secrecy but this can’t be a claim only specific to them ie. women in physical danger. It sounds like it is the activists claim that is false.

It is good to hear that security of personal information is not an issue for anyone as it is protected by law though.

nauticant · 09/03/2021 15:14

What I'd like to see is for this to be covered in the Today programme tomorrow. The ONS Chief Statistician Professor Sir Ian Diamond told that programme in January: “The question on sex is very simply your legal sex”. But later the ONS did a U-turn leading to the mess in the High Court today.

I'd love for Diamond to be invited back onto the Today programme to comment.

Shedbuilder · 09/03/2021 15:13

Who is the man questioning Helen and Graham? He's already started muddying the waters — saying he's gay and drawing a parallel between the situation in the 80s and 90s when gay men and people with AIDS were treated and the way transgender people are treat and then saying he's not drawing a parallel.

Iamhangingin · 09/03/2021 15:12

@stuckinatrap

Whatever happens, the more court cases, questions in the Houses of Parliament and JRs where a judge says that 'because Stonewall told us to' is entirely unacceptable justification for policy, the better.

Yes, yes yes!

RozWatching · 09/03/2021 15:12

Unbelievable we had to go to court to decide what Sex was

Quite. Because the ONS started fucking about with a £900m data gathering exercise.

Stonewall must have thought the census was in the bag when they recruited a NatCen executive as their new CEO. What a mess they've made.

BuntingEllacott · 09/03/2021 15:11

Sex is indeed an umbrella term.
It covers both male and female.

☂️

PurpleHoodie · 09/03/2021 15:10

GrinDaffodil

PurpleHoodie · 09/03/2021 15:10
Shock
TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 09/03/2021 15:10

HALLELUJAH!!!

RedDogsBeg · 09/03/2021 15:09

@stuckinatrap

I think the most jaw-dropping moment was 'sex is an umbrella term.'

If that doesn't cause an incredible number of people pulling 'wtf?!' faces then I don't know what will.

I do so hope they use that argument again!

That was my favourite quote too, closely followed by the Judge querying what social sex is!!
MenopausalCrone · 09/03/2021 15:08

Said women's voices and rights have been silenced on FB, Twitter and even MN

MenopausalCrone · 09/03/2021 15:07

Glinner just mentioned Mumsnet!

GAHgamel · 09/03/2021 15:07

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude thank you

FedUpWithBriiiiick · 09/03/2021 15:06

Mumsnet gets a mention from Glinner!

Sophoclesthefox · 09/03/2021 15:05

Amazing Grin

highame · 09/03/2021 15:04

I'm having difficulty with the volume on the Harry vs college of policing. I think there's a live tweet going on so will try and find

FindTheTruth · 09/03/2021 15:04

is there a separate thread for Glinner and Helen? starts now
committees.parliament.uk/event/3970/formal-meeting-oral-evidence-session/

OvaHere · 09/03/2021 15:03

@AngelaMerkelEyeRoll

Is anyone else watching the FairCop case youtube feed? I'm struggling to work out what is going on.
I tried to watch a bit of it but there's too much going on with that and the ONS. I also need the filter of mumsnet to understand a lot of it.
LizzieSiddal · 09/03/2021 15:03

Brillaint!! Thank you so much to all those at FPFW who have brought this case.

Surely there must now be some kind of enquiry into Stonewall and the illegal advise it keeps giving out!

RedDogsBeg · 09/03/2021 15:03

For the 2021 Census:

Sex = sex on birth certificate or a GRC
Sex is NOT Gender identity.

Hallelujah!

The fact we had to go to Court to prove this and prove that it never was is ridiculous.

That argument about using sex segregated services on the basis of the gender you identify with, doesn't stack up does it.

allmywhat · 09/03/2021 15:03

Would an appeal against interim relief happen before the hearing next week?

I would really like to understand the decision making process here.

ConservativesForWomen · 09/03/2021 15:03

www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/5236fc59-47ae-41c9-93f7-4ea16b5782c3

Graham and Helen

stuckinatrap · 09/03/2021 15:02

@loveyouradvice

FairPlay for Women and Dr Nic - Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers Flowers

I am bowled over - common sense has won!

I have never felt more proud of an organisation that I support - I already give them more than I have given any other charity - and this inspires me to go and dig deep again.

They may not be asking for more money now (I don't know whether they are) - but they certainly need it going forward. They are a small organisation doing extraordinary work - lets help them do even more!

I couldn't agree more. I've already had an 'if I won the lottery' daydream about how much of their work I could find if I won millions.
stuckinatrap · 09/03/2021 15:01

I think the most jaw-dropping moment was 'sex is an umbrella term.'

If that doesn't cause an incredible number of people pulling 'wtf?!' faces then I don't know what will.

I do so hope they use that argument again!

MenopausalCrone · 09/03/2021 15:01

Proud to say I donated. What a breath of fresh air🙌