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Conservatives for Women

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Shedbuilder · 07/03/2021 14:45

Found this, earlier today — the Conservatives for Women website:

conservativesforwomen.org

Their proposals could have been written here on Mumsnet. I'm now, for the first time in my life, having to consider whether instead of just spoiling my ballot I'm going to have to vote Conservative to keep Labour and the Lib Dems out.

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SmokedDuck · 07/03/2021 21:44

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

So, how do we square what Jackie Doyle Price, Liz Truss, Baroness Nicolson and a bunch of other Tories have done for women with Crispin Blunt in general and Ruth Davidson's astonishing rape clause in the child benefit stuff, and the fact that austerity hits women hardest?

Cos, I think I am going to have to vote Tory as they are the ones nearest to actually stating that "woman" means "adult human female".

But, it makes me feel dirty.

One option might be to look to change the narrative on austerity within the Tory party.

There is form for this - the Thatcherite approach was a new thing in conservative circles, and it didn't really sit well with many of them. While there does tend to be a focus in empowering small units like families or small businesses, old-fashioned conservatism also tended to be big on stabilising social structures and governments embarking on significant projects like railways and infrastructure and such, and even caring for less well of elements in society. At one time it tended to be opposed to liberals who wanted fewer controls on business and a loosening of obligations to the working classes by the state or business.

Right now we're arguably seeing a resurgence of some of that kind of conservatism, pushing back at the Thatcherite neoliberal version which has had the rug ripped out from under it ideologically speaking. It's ideas about the economy have failed, and it's only the power struggle keeping neolibalism in place. There's a lot more articles about traditional conservative concepts and ideas being bandied around within right wing media at the moment than there have been for many years and I think increasingly people are receptive to those ideas.

If the LP can be transformed to a kind of liberal Party, why not transform the Tories into an actual conservative party?

womanity · 07/03/2021 21:05

@Shedbuilder

Found this, earlier today — the Conservatives for Women website:

conservativesforwomen.org

Their proposals could have been written here on Mumsnet. I'm now, for the first time in my life, having to consider whether instead of just spoiling my ballot I'm going to have to vote Conservative to keep Labour and the Lib Dems out.

I believe the founder is a mumsnetter. She has posted here before.
vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 07/03/2021 19:37

So, how do we square what Jackie Doyle Price, Liz Truss, Baroness Nicolson and a bunch of other Tories have done for women with Crispin Blunt in general and Ruth Davidson's astonishing rape clause in the child benefit stuff, and the fact that austerity hits women hardest?

Cos, I think I am going to have to vote Tory as they are the ones nearest to actually stating that "woman" means "adult human female".

But, it makes me feel dirty.

SmokedDuck · 07/03/2021 19:08

@peak2021

It is a pressure group within the Conservative Party. A party still led by a misogynist, and one whose actions have harmed women greatly at both a political and personal level.
I'm not sure how much a particular leader, or his or her views, should be influencing voting.

It can be important in some ways, but the PM doesn't dictate or necessarily even represent everything the party is about, ideologically speaking. I think a party could easily be anti-woman (or whatever) with a leader who was not, and vice versa.

Party leaders are often chosen for reasons unrelated to their personal morals, and many people never have a strong affinity for the leaders of any parties available to be voted for, they vote or reasons unconnected with that person's personal life or views.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 07/03/2021 18:59

They've posted on here before. I sent one of their newsletters to my Tory MP and he emailed back in support.

Highwind · 07/03/2021 17:34

If we lose the definition of ‘woman’, we lose everything.

Our lives have been marked and shaped by being born female, I would sooner lose my home than forfeit my identity as a woman. It is the most important issue to me.

I will vote for whichever party will protect the definition of woman and hence protect me. If that is the Conservatives, then so be it.

MichelleofzeResistance · 07/03/2021 17:23

And yet the one remaining party that still has a grip on what a woman is.

peak2021 · 07/03/2021 15:43

It is a pressure group within the Conservative Party. A party still led by a misogynist, and one whose actions have harmed women greatly at both a political and personal level.

Shedbuilder · 07/03/2021 15:18

@RaidersoftheLostAardvark

Sadly it does feel like the Tory party are the only ones standing up for women's sex based rights. I'm very disappointed by Labour's mealy mouthed misogyny.
Yes. It pains me more than I can express that it's the Tories who see it and not the party I've voted for all my adult life.
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RaidersoftheLostAardvark · 07/03/2021 15:05

Sadly it does feel like the Tory party are the only ones standing up for women's sex based rights. I'm very disappointed by Labour's mealy mouthed misogyny.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/03/2021 15:00

@MichelleofzeResistance

Particularly pleased to see they have lodged a formal complaint about Penny Mordaunt's behaviour at the dispatch box.
Yes, sorting out their own house.
MichelleofzeResistance · 07/03/2021 14:56

Particularly pleased to see they have lodged a formal complaint about Penny Mordaunt's behaviour at the dispatch box.

DemolitionBarbie · 07/03/2021 14:56

I would rather walk over the hot coals of hell than vote conservative.

MichelleofzeResistance · 07/03/2021 14:55

That is excellent!

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