Conservatives for Women

Shedbuilder · 2021-03-07T14:45:25+00:00

Found this, earlier today — the Conservatives for Women website: [[https://conservativesforwomen.org]] Their proposals could have been written here on Mumsnet. I'm now, for the first time in my life, having to consider whether instead of just spoiling my ballot I'm going to have to vote Conservative to keep Labour and the Lib Dems out.

ChristinaXYZ · 10/03/2021 20:05

@DaisiesandButtercups

Whatever Raab privately believes at the very least I haven’t heard of him publicly denouncing Jackie Doyle Price, Kemi Badenoch and Liz Truss, nor has he called for them to be disciplined or removed from ministerial posts. I am no fan of Dominic Raab but the behaviour of those in the Labour Party towards Rosie Duffield and others has been disturbing and eye opening. For me I think it is important to consider the culture in the party as a whole and the hostility, toxic levels of control and climate of fear in the Labour Party right now is a contrast with the apparent freedom of the other lot to speak up on “this important issue” as Kemi Badenoch put it.

This, exactly this.

teawamutu · 09/03/2021 09:32

@MichelleofzeResistance

It is about how some political parties allowed themselves to be captured by an anti-reality belief system, a theology it seems to me. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have shown that their decision making structures are fucked. Conservatives are taking steps to sort their shit out whereas the others are trapped in a purity spiral with no sign of a move back towards reality.

Well put, and I agree. There are a whole lot of very large and serious issues tied up in that, including the responsibilities and duties of public office, and safeguarding procedures that should be in place to protect govt bodies from ending up in this mess.

Absolutely this.

gardenbird48 · 09/03/2021 08:57

[quote ErrolTheDragon]This may be of interest- some names to look out for perhaps

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-to-benefit-in-feminist-boris-johnsons-cabinet-reshuffle-538sk2zbp?shareToken=5ca54a3b311b475d3a344b789f8867a8[/quote]
Thanks for the article. Kemi Badenoch will be a great asset I think. Lucy Frazer is a worry (if I’m thinking of the right person) - she has defended the MoJ position on rapists in women’s prisons a d said she would make the same decision even with all the info available

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2021 08:38

This may be of interest- some names to look out for perhaps

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/women-to-benefit-in-feminist-boris-johnsons-cabinet-reshuffle-538sk2zbp?shareToken=5ca54a3b311b475d3a344b789f8867a8

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/03/2021 21:30

Sorry Scotland lol.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/03/2021 21:30

@30PercentRecycled

It's not a single issue for me. It is about how some political parties allowed themselves to be captured by an anti-reality belief system, a theology it seems to me. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have shown that their decision making structures are fucked. Conservatives are taking steps to sort their shit out whereas the others are trapped in a purity spiral with no sign of a move back towards reality.

The SNP in Sootland have been captured as well. Although they would never get my vote anyway.

McDuffy · 08/03/2021 21:23

Just had a look and membership is only £25 a year. Will sleep on it
I've already signed up for the mailing list, I'm feeling like we're at a pivotal moment for women's rights. I sent ten thank you cards to the speakers in House of Lords debate from a couple of weeks ago today and feel like ramping up my (admittedly low) political activism!

30PercentRecycled · 08/03/2021 21:01

I have am horrified at how some mainstream political parties enabled, encouraged and elevated anti-science beliefs.

We are facing challenges like climate change, antibiotic resistance and pandemics. I don't want political parties in charge who are easily swayed by stoner science.

I don't want leaders to whom "doing the research" and "educating themselves" means obsessively following lobbyists on social media.

MichelleofzeResistance · 08/03/2021 20:50

It is about how some political parties allowed themselves to be captured by an anti-reality belief system, a theology it seems to me. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have shown that their decision making structures are fucked. Conservatives are taking steps to sort their shit out whereas the others are trapped in a purity spiral with no sign of a move back towards reality.

Well put, and I agree. There are a whole lot of very large and serious issues tied up in that, including the responsibilities and duties of public office, and safeguarding procedures that should be in place to protect govt bodies from ending up in this mess.

30PercentRecycled · 08/03/2021 20:48

It's not a single issue for me. It is about how some political parties allowed themselves to be captured by an anti-reality belief system, a theology it seems to me. Labour, Lib Dems and Greens have shown that their decision making structures are fucked. Conservatives are taking steps to sort their shit out whereas the others are trapped in a purity spiral with no sign of a move back towards reality.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 08/03/2021 19:03

Thank you for this thread. I have never voted Tory and as I grew up in a coal mining area, under Section 28 and the Poll Tax nonsense in Scotland I genuinely never entertained the idea.

However, that manifesto is exactly what I want.

Hell mend Labour, Greens and Lib Dems, I've voted for all of them over the years - but they are treating me and my sex class with contempt.

Fucking idiots, the lot of them. I'm very, very close to voting Tory because there is no issue which is bigger to me than women's rights to single sex spaces. If you can't define sex you can't define harms against hat sex class. Who benefits from that? It's not the fucking women who need the protections, that's for sure.

SmokedDuck · 08/03/2021 18:27

@RozWatching

I think it's naive to think that Labour's stupidity would somehow be limited to women's rights. The apparent lack of critical thinking is a massive red flag.

Yes, this is something that maybe should be more spelled out. The left hasn't just fallen into this stuff by chance, it's part of a larger change in their thinking. So if it's wrong, that is not just a small thing.

WhiskyWhiskersdottir · 08/03/2021 17:33

Oxymoron

Erkrie · 08/03/2021 17:24

Really? I doubt you could find a labour MP from 40 years ago who shares Raabs regressive views let alone the majority of labour, or for that matter any party, now. Well, maybe in the Brexit Party

The majority of labour do hold regressive views when it comes to women. They can't even name what they are. If women dont have the words to describe what they are, then they have no legal protections. I expect Rosie Duffield would have a few things to say about the regressive nature of the labour party after the onslaught of hate towards her from labour for defining what a woman is. Keir starmer did not step in to support her. That tells you all you need to know with regards to what labour think about women.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/03/2021 17:17

@gardenbird48

Thank you for your work *@ConservativesForWomen* - my Conservative MP is supportive of women’s rights so there is no question about my vote.

If the other parties can’t even acknowledge my existence as a woman there is no earthly point in my voting for them. They are actually promising to remove women’s rights - how can I do that to my daughters? It would be like being one of the anti-suffragette women.

I agree. The main UK political parties used to be broad churches, even the LibDems although they were always 100% pro-Europe/EU. This is clearly no longer the case, when recent Labour leadership candidates choose to announce that anyone who supports women's sex-based rights is transphobic and should be expelled from the party. That being the case they should not be surprised when women decide to move their vote to the 'least captured' of the main parties. Maybe we should join up to influence how things move forward....I haven't as yet.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 08/03/2021 17:12

@DaisiesandButtercups

You’ll have no argument from me that Raab is a misogynist but he is one man (and not my MP so I won’t be voting for him anyway). It appears that the majority of the Labour Party shares his point of view, I am not convinced that this is the case in the Conservative Party.

Really? I doubt you could find a labour MP from 40 years ago who shares Raabs regressive views let alone the majority of labour, or for that matter any party, now. Well, maybe in the Brexit Party.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/03/2021 17:01

[quote RozWatching]'Feminists are obnoxious bigots'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3595776-Dominic-Raab-still-thinks-feminists-are-bigots[/quote]
I can't be bothered to read it but how did he define 'feminist'. Perhaps he was referring to rabid 'man-hating' ones.
Funnily enough I used to call myself a 'feminine feminist' in the 1980s. I've never worn make up nor high heels though. I definitely don't hate men.
It is a worrying thing to say given that he ran for the leadership. Just googled. He has a wife and kids so I expect he knows what a woman is.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 08/03/2021 16:57

@megletsecond

As a lone parent I cannot vote Tory. Universal credit, the rape clause on 3rd child benefits, decimated mental heath services, closure of sure start centres, the child benefit penalty for high earning lone parents tells me everything.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/domestic-abuse-bill-2020-factsheets/domestic-abuse-bill-2020-overarching-factsheet

No party is all bad....

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/03/2021 14:48

You’ll have no argument from me that Raab is a misogynist but he is one man (and not my MP so I won’t be voting for him anyway). It appears that the majority of the Labour Party shares his point of view, I am not convinced that this is the case in the Conservative Party.

DdraigGoch · 08/03/2021 14:48

@Twobirdsinatree

Part of the reason why the right of the tory party wanted to leave the eu was because the eu prevented them from getting rid of statutory maternity pay and things like that... Yes you might feel that this party will prevent trans women from eing legally categorised as women but what on earth is the point of that if womens rights are stripped back as the price for it? They do not care about women they just want your vote and this is an easy way to get it.

The EU only mandates 14 weeks of maternity pay. UK law (some of it introduced by Conservative governments) is considerably more generous. If the Conservatives wanted to remove various employment protections, they'd have done so years ago, they didn't need to leave the EU to do so.

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/03/2021 14:45

I also agree that the negative impact of the rollback of women’s rights and safeguarding standards will fall most heavily on the most vulnerable.

RozWatching · 08/03/2021 14:41

'Feminists are obnoxious bigots'

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3595776-Dominic-Raab-still-thinks-feminists-are-bigots

MichelleofzeResistance · 08/03/2021 14:38

The most vulnerable groups of women will be the most impacted and least able to speak ones.

So I'm afraid the 'this is the realm of privileged women with no grip on reality' bit isn't going to fly. You have to be pretty privileged to not realise or foresee how this is going to impact upon women and children, and render women bothering with a political interested in anything else whatsoever pretty much pointless. It would be rather like asking the Native American Nations in the 1860s to vote on what they think the tax benefits should be for the settlers who have confiscated their land and driven them into reservations.

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/03/2021 14:36

Whatever Raab privately believes at the very least I haven’t heard of him publicly denouncing Jackie Doyle Price, Kemi Badenoch and Liz Truss, nor has he called for them to be disciplined or removed from ministerial posts. I am no fan of Dominic Raab but the behaviour of those in the Labour Party towards Rosie Duffield and others has been disturbing and eye opening. For me I think it is important to consider the culture in the party as a whole and the hostility, toxic levels of control and climate of fear in the Labour Party right now is a contrast with the apparent freedom of the other lot to speak up on “this important issue” as Kemi Badenoch put it.

RozWatching · 08/03/2021 14:19

When Conservative MP’s speak up on women’s issues I notice that they receive a very different response from the rest of their party than the very brave Labour MP’s and councillors who speak up receive from the Labour Party.

That is true, although there will be plenty of Cons who are secretly enjoying all this.
Dominic Raab's heart must be bursting seeing what has become of the GEO.