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Crispin Blunt MP ordered to apologise for breach of parliamentary rules over attempt to make secret deal on self-ID

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OvaHere · 07/03/2021 11:50

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/crispin-blunt-mp-ordered-to-apologise-for-breach-of-parliamentary-rules-over-attempt-to-make-secret-deal-on-self-id/

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1368514218249576452

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BoreOfWhabylon · 07/03/2021 16:15

Digging around re Kaleidoscope Trust in Companies House and the Charities Commission is quite interesting

persistentwoman · 07/03/2021 16:11

Such an important disclosure. This demonstrates precisely how all the removal of women's rights to safe places and diminishment of child safeguarding standards. At the behest of a small group of unrepresentative adults in positions of power and influence.

The outcomes of the forthcoming court cases and FOIs are going to be so revealing about how this lobbying has happened.

RozWatching · 07/03/2021 16:06

@Justhadathought

What is it that's motivating Crispin Blunt? He seems a very unlikely trans ally

Many gay men automatically see this as being the same as the gay rights struggle......and have very little obvious concern or understanding for women's issues.

But Blunt's voting record isn't exactly pro gay rights.
TheBurmundseyIndustrialEstate · 07/03/2021 16:01

Blunt is the one who spoke out against banning poppers, as they are used by some gay men.

Can't see him campagning much for the women in his constiituancy though.

Justhadathought · 07/03/2021 15:58

That wasn't referring to Blunt

Little joke...ha!

SunsetBeetch · 07/03/2021 15:54

Gosh Shock

RedDogsBeg · 07/03/2021 15:50

@FindTheTruth

Bloody hell Red. well if it happens, you saw it first.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, can you imagine the fawning circus there would be and Mr. Blunt does love adulation.
BoreOfWhabylon · 07/03/2021 15:43

@highame

I am so, so delighted, I can't believe this. This is the best news ever (except for all the other pieces of good news we've had recently)

In my submission to the Government Equalities Office, I wrote a great long list of why the Office was unfit for purpose and could not be trusted to look out for women's rights. Government departments did not appear to be acting within the standards by which government officials must adhere

I also strongly criticised Crispin Blunt and Caroline Noakes for their treatment of women who held GC views and felt their actions undermined trust in the principles of Standards in Public Life.

I also copied the piece to Liz Truss and my MP

Well done!

And well done OP

ErrolTheDragon · 07/03/2021 15:42

@Justhadathought

heavily into the S+M scene. He was a client of mine

Really?

That wasn't referring to Blunt.
Justhadathought · 07/03/2021 15:36

heavily into the S+M scene. He was a client of mine

Really?

Justhadathought · 07/03/2021 15:22

What is it that's motivating Crispin Blunt? He seems a very unlikely trans ally

Many gay men automatically see this as being the same as the gay rights struggle......and have very little obvious concern or understanding for women's issues.

Shedbuilder · 07/03/2021 15:15

Wouldn't surprise me if Crispin wants to come out as something else hence the push for self-id, no medical diagnosis required, no checks required, no hormones or any other physical changes required.

I did think that Mrs Blunt's experience possibly had something in common with those of some of the transwidows. It also made me think of one ultra-straight, Bible-bashing man I know who came out in his 40s and is now a deeply misogynist gay man heavily into the S+M scene. He was a client of mine.

FindTheTruth · 07/03/2021 15:15

Bloody hell Red. well if it happens, you saw it first.

RedDogsBeg · 07/03/2021 15:08

what I don't understand is, how does a man come out as gay at age 50 and decide to go all in for queer theory gender ideology. I don't get it. he realises he's same-sex attracted at 50 and then pushes Stonewall version (that's homophobic) campaigning to remove sexual orientation from the equality act and remove sex based exemptions. What is it with these men?

Wouldn't surprise me if Crispin wants to come out as something else hence the push for self-id, no medical diagnosis required, no checks required, no hormones or any other physical changes required.

Friends say Victoria Blunt - a former banker, and the daughter of a wealthy American - felt betrayed because she had sacrificed her career and used her fortune to support her husband's political life.

I bet she feels betrayed, poor woman.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/03/2021 15:06

@Shedbuilder

According to that Daily Mail Crispin Blunt, before he came out as gay, is on record as saying in a debate in the HoC:

homosexuality is 'not equivalent to heterosexuality'.

Mr Blunt, 50, said: 'It is also clear that there is a much greater strand of homosexuality than of heterosexuality which depends for its gratification on the exploitation of youth.'

Hmmmm.

Hmmm indeed, in several ways. Apart from the obvious, that warped perception rather suggests that the exploitation of girls is so completely under his radar that he's not including them in 'youth'.
PurpleHoodie · 07/03/2021 15:02

Good news.

highame · 07/03/2021 14:59

Anyone going to open a book on how long it will take for GEO to stop being a Stonewall Champion?

highame · 07/03/2021 14:58

Just had a thought. I wonder if all those MP's who have been doing secret deals etc., are now feeling a bit twitchy. Stella might be feeling like she needs to look carefully at what she's been cooking up with Stonewall. Not saying she has done anything to contravene Standards in Public Life, but there might be a few feeling a little uncomfortable.

As u were Grin

FindTheTruth · 07/03/2021 14:55

Mr Blunt, 50, said: 'It is also clear that there is a much greater strand of homosexuality than of heterosexuality which depends for its gratification on the exploitation of youth.'

Hmmmm.

WTAF.

FindTheTruth · 07/03/2021 14:52

@gardenbird48

what I don't understand is, how does a man come out as gay at age 50 and decide to go all in for queer theory gender ideology. I don't get it. he realises he's same-sex attracted at 50 and then pushes Stonewall version (that's homophobic) campaigning to remove sexual orientation from the equality act and remove sex based exemptions. What is it with these men?

That is a good point - these older gay men like CB and Michael Cashman are going all out to erase their own existence in law and remove their own hard-won rights and protections - eh??

Or are they relying on the fact that any potential partner they have will also have signed up to the ideology and will have a declared 'gender identity' which corresponds to their sex and the relationship will therefore be protected under the Stonewall definition of gay being same-gender attracted??

I just don't get older gay men like CB and MC (and some lesbian women - Ruth Hunt, Baroness Barker) throwing young gay and lesbian youth under a bus. These kids put on puberty blockers and hormones can have permanent sexual dysfunction, some never having an orgasm or getting painful orgasms. wonder if these older people think about that when they have sex?
Xanthangum · 07/03/2021 14:50

I feel very sorry for Victoria, if this bit from the DM article is accurate:

Friends say Victoria Blunt - a former banker, and the daughter of a wealthy American - felt betrayed because she had sacrificed her career and used her fortune to support her husband's political life.

Shedbuilder · 07/03/2021 14:41

According to that Daily Mail Crispin Blunt, before he came out as gay, is on record as saying in a debate in the HoC:

homosexuality is 'not equivalent to heterosexuality'.

Mr Blunt, 50, said: 'It is also clear that there is a much greater strand of homosexuality than of heterosexuality which depends for its gratification on the exploitation of youth.'

Hmmmm.

rogdmum · 07/03/2021 14:39

@ANewCreation

Kaleidoscope Trust, you say?

Wondered where I had heard it mentioned very recently and just remembered it was on the MoJ thread in the context of John Bercow disallowing an urgent question on Karen White and trans prisoners which always struck me as odd.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/if-mps-can-t-debate-a-rapist-in-a-woman-s-jail-politics-has-failed

John Bercow was the president of Kaleidoscope Trust.

The dots are beginning to join up...

Sometimes I think it would be quite good to do a big pictorial depiction of all the connections to show just what a spiderweb it is with a few key players. You could do separate pictorials for the various strands in the issue and then overlay a summary on top.

I think it would be very enlightening.

gardenbird48 · 07/03/2021 14:33

what I don't understand is, how does a man come out as gay at age 50 and decide to go all in for queer theory gender ideology. I don't get it. he realises he's same-sex attracted at 50 and then pushes Stonewall version (that's homophobic) campaigning to remove sexual orientation from the equality act and remove sex based exemptions. What is it with these men?

That is a good point - these older gay men like CB and Michael Cashman are going all out to erase their own existence in law and remove their own hard-won rights and protections - eh??

Or are they relying on the fact that any potential partner they have will also have signed up to the ideology and will have a declared 'gender identity' which corresponds to their sex and the relationship will therefore be protected under the Stonewall definition of gay being same-gender attracted??

MichelleofzeResistance · 07/03/2021 14:25

“It was my judgement that if this paper could be communicated to the Government privately, and as representing a wide collective agreement, they would be more likely to adopt it as theirs”. Publishing the document and making it open to public debate while the government was still considering its response “would have undermined our political strategy”.

Translation: they might have been encouraged to think about alternative perspectives and interpretations, to recognise that other groups exist with alternate views, and to balance the needs of other people equally, which would have undermined Crispin's personal agenda.