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Introducing yourself by name and pronouns

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FlatteredFool · 07/03/2021 00:04

I started an online course last week. It will be fun I thought. How wrong was I on that but I had my first, real-life experience of pronouns being a thing. The facilitator introduced herself by name followed by "and my pronouns are she/her" and my face was ConfusedHmm because it speaks for me without any filter or conscious thought. We were then invited to introduce ourselves if we wanted to. I was worried I'd have to give my pronouns if I did so I kept quiet. This is perhaps the norm now but it struck me as very weird especially as the course is run by a local Women’s centre off the back of the Freedom Programme where our experiences of abuse are due to our sex.

Dd has a student in her school who identifies as a helicopter. Seriously. Are her pronouns ?? Good for her as it shows the madness for what it is. DD has been called transphobic for saying I respect everyone no matter what they identify as but you can't change sex. She really struggles to do the mental gymnastics of calling a girl they/them when she is presented with a very female body. Dd is hopefully being assessed for ASD as am I and we both struggle so much with falsehoods and are sticklers for rules so I don't think we will ever be able to state that someone is the opposite of what they are. It's the same as trying to say 10-5=3. Or that the sun is actually the moon or cold. It doesn't compute as it goes against all logic and facts.

Oh and then on a TA course when looking at stages of child development the PowerPoint included gender as an area of development. I queried what she meant by gender as there are so many genders and got a slightly embarrassed look and a description of make and female sexes so I got her to clarify that actually she meant sex. When I write my assignment I might highlight the issues there because I'll be damned if I discuss puberty in terms of gender when it should be sex.

When will the madness stop??

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SenecaFallsRedux · 07/03/2021 00:40

The self-description is relevant for blind or low vision attendees. It increases accessibility.

MissBarbary · 07/03/2021 00:20

What was the lecture about? How could any of that be relevant?

BlackeyedSusan · 07/03/2021 00:13

yep does not compute. throw in propagnosia (face blindness) how the hell are you supposed to remember the male looking person in front of you wants to be she, or which female bodies are they /thems as they do tend to look all the same unless they always wear distinctive glasses or something that does not change.... people do occasionally emerge from the sameness, but put them out of context and they disappear again.
hope the assessment goes well for both of you. it is hard work to get through..

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 07/03/2021 00:12

If anyone pushes you to give your pronouns, cite Yogyakarta Principle no 6 which says it’s wrong to force anyone to declare their gender.

I find it quite useful at work, it flags up the people I need to be a bit more cautious around.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 07/03/2021 00:09

Thank you for querying on your TA course. I bet there were a bunch of other people who were too afraid to say exactly what you did out loud,

I was at a lecture last night that was held in person and live streamed. The 3 presenters had to ‘self describe’ in line with a new policy. The man didn’t mention he was a man, said something like wearing glasses and grey sweater. One woman described herself as a woman a rattled on in detail about her clothes. The other woman described herself as cis-gender and gave her pronouns.

It was cringeworthy.

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