Pronouns in email

And why always write both she and her? Why not just she?

I think that's so that the format works for made-up neopronouns. Zie/zir or whatever pairing they want. It just looks even more bloody silly for she/her.

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But what if you're non-binary?

(Fuck/off) those are my pronouns.

All this is pure bollocks. Seriously the day my work suggests or enforces this, I will tell them where to go. I'm seeing more people do this, clearly got nothing better to do. Sorry if I've offended anyone, but seriously...

If asked, I would be so tempted to reply to the pronouns question as follows:

"Grammer isn't my strong point, and I am much more of a numbers person so I would like to be referred to as 01010011 01101000 01100101 00100000 / 01101000 01100101 01110010 00100000"

I'd then insist that they used this everytime they referenced me.

If I was asked, I think I'd just put them in.
Might think briefly, but would just do it as no skin off my nose for want of a better expression, normalises it for people who are trans.
However, after saying that, if you don't want to that should be entirely up to you, you shouldn't be made to put them in in.
Were you asked, or told?
There's a difference.
You shouldn't be made to or penalised for doing so if you don't want to.
Can you not just pretend you haven't seen the emails?!

Sconded, ArcheryAnnie! It's absolutely typical of this stuff that's supposed to be all progressive and egalitarian that nobody bothers to actually ask people how they feel about it, and it almost turns out that it have an adverse effect on women.

You must all know about that article that did the rounds about the bloke who got his female colleague's email address by mistake and had to answer all her emails, and found that when people thought he was female they argued the toss with him the whole time? He said he finally understood why she wasn't productive as him - in fact he was amazed at how much she managed to get done, given what she faced.

I think anyone who is in a position to be a bit arsey (which I totally understand isn't everyone) should ask for the impact assessment they have done on how this will affect women's standing in the workplace, bearing in mind the stereotype threat.

Just as 'womxn' has suddenly become transphobic, all it will take is for one fashionable TRA to declare pronouns transphobic and history will be rewritten. I hope the day comes soon.

You could ask them for a list of acceptable genders. That would be interesting.

Tell them that as you are still deciding on your pronouns, you'd be uncomfortable with having to declare them. That you will let them know when this changes

User143 I wonder if it is actually legal to enforce staff to declare their gender identity? Whether that would stand up in court. It seems like a breach of your right to privacy which isn't actually necessary for you to do your job. You might prefer not to tell this to people who you only communicate with by email. Or you might, as a matter of conscience wish not to try & dictate to ppl how they should talk about you.

Where I work it's starting to come in, but the overwhelming majority of people doing it are women (of the female sexed kind). Female socialisation in action - be nice and make life easier for everyone else.

It’s mandatory where a work (public sector) and absolutely is virtue signalling by the organisation (see also “International Womxns Day”).

I resent it because I know people outside the organisation judge me as an idiot when they read it.

Some of these responses are very helpful
I noticed all the CQC inspectors do it now.
I am just waiting for it to come to my organisation. I reckon it’s around the corner.

Totally agree. The English language.is confusing enough. With the use of they/them to refer to a singular person, it reads terribly and is so confusing.

It's because some people are neither he or she any everybody needs to know it.

People sometimes mistake my 2 year old daughter for a boy. I should write her pronouns on her head. (They wouldn't let me set up an email for her so I can't put her pronouns in her email. Maybe that's why people get it wrong.)

However, recently, a student in my DH’s department emailed all the staff demanding that they actively use said student’s pronouns. Normally, it’s unnecessary to use someone’s pronouns in their presence as you would say “you” to them instead of “he”, “she” or whatever. But this student wanted his lecturers to validate him by using his pronouns in front of him.*

*I can’t actually remember what pronouns this student had. I tried to be gender neutral and use “they” but the sentence was too confusing as it was reading as if student was asking the lecturers to use their (lecturers) pronouns.

I am lost, I keep seeing people talking about pronouns and I don’t know what they mean?

What do they expect from you when it comes to pronouns?

I have never understood why it is ‘supportive’. If someone is MtF then presumably would change name to a female name (and vice versa for FtM) so on email not necessary to declare pronouns. If you want to use neutral they/them then why do you need everyone else to declare they are she/her or he/him. Just to feel special?
And why always write both she and her? Why not just she?
I hate the idea that getting pronouns wrong is somehow a really bad thing and to be avoided at all costs.

I had to travel for business to parts of the world that were particularly dangerous, and especially dangerous as a single woman’s I used to do everything I could possibly do to avoid advertising that fact: used initials only when they assumed I was male and no title. I made sure that my hotel bookings and airport transport cars that were prebooked never used a female title or pronoun. I consider it basic personal safety never to advertise I am female. I even dislike work e mails that make you out a photo of yourself on it

It's one of the tips for being a 'trans ally'. I didn't get any further.