Clue, the period app...

It’s a great app and I don’t give a stuff if they decide to included transmen, and non-binary people in their marketing alongside women. Some trans men have periods and do not want to be referred to as women.
As women’s

Here's the Clue JKR shitstorm

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4155880-Clue-a-menstruation-app-speaks

Clue, the initial start up, was founded by a woman called Ida Tin (she is Danish). It’s since been bought over by men. I agree with the previous poster. Why not just allow people to tailor the communications and pronouns. Not a big deal. You could even have transwomen using the app to track their reactions to HRT. Everyone wins.
I use Garmin though which has no obvious agenda.

I find it hard to believe there isn’t a technical way to personalise an app around this. If we look at satnavs you can have any combination of language and voice. If some people want to be referred to as something different it can’t be that hard to pick from a list in settings and have that link through at certain points.

I uninstalled it years ago and lost several years of data which would have been useful for my perimenopause years.

It's owned by a man. Once I realised that and they started with the whole"female is offensive" I thought "fair enough, fuck off"

Oh sorry flam I thought this was a different thread!

You must have thought, eh?

Yes for things like this woman, transmen and non binary people who menstruate or similar would be fine.

The reason it doesn't happen is because the women part, on a menstrual app, excludes transwomen. That's why it's not used. Nothing to do with trans men etc.

I uninstalled their app after the jkr shitshow. If they'd rather pander to a woke minority than their majority target audience then good luck to them. I only used the free version but I still don't want to support or be associate with any company participating in the erasure of women.

My point was that if inclusive language must be used at all, why can't it be "women, transmen & NB females" as these are the people who menstruate. The common denominator being that they are female, so one could even stretch that the wording should in fact be "females" but I imagine this wouldn't be acceptable in certain circles as it would remind transwomen they are not part of this group based on their biology.

'Honestly what is wrong with women, transmen & NB?'

Because it's not about transmen or non binary females.

It's about decoupling the words female, woman, girl from our biology so as not to upset male transpeople.

I looked at the website and it has a bit that says

'Learn about your body and women’s health
Steph from Clue welcomes you to read the newsletter
Hi, I am Steph! I’ll send you both educational and entertaining stories about women’s health and share tips and tricks to get the most out of your Clue app!'

So have they missed a bit?

I've not noticed this, I dont subscribe to Clue Plus but haven't seen anything about the changing of terms.

I've found one reference to "women and people with cycles".

Interesting. They haven't referred to me in those terms yet. I saw the removal of the fertile window and assumed they'd been sued by someone. I don't use that, I try and track my PMS symptoms to get the coping strategies in place at the right time. I wonder what else I can use for that?

I assume that it is only the paid content which people are concerned about?

It's a good tracker - you could just deny them revenue by not using the paid version

Lord not another one. Honestly what is wrong with women, transmen & NB? This is the only truly inclusive way of phrasing it without erasing the preferred wording of largest period having group.

Why is it when it comes to transpeople it's literal violence and removing their rights when we don't use their preferred labels, but when it comes to women it's absolutely fine to ignore their wants and needs?

They need to get a clue.

Hahaha.

Sorry I'll get my coat.

The tracker on Fitbit is easy to use and I find it quite accurate.

Clue has been approved for birth control in the US.
www.bbc.com/news/technology-56252735
That is likely why they have put up the disclaimer.
Clue’s original business model was good. The Garmin tracker does the job.

I stopped using them after they went after JK Rowling on Twitter. I emailed them and told them why I would no longer use their app. I asked them to send me my data, which they did in an excel spreadsheet after some back and forth about whether they should or could. I mentioned the GDPR and that seemed to do the trick.

I was tipped off about not using Clue by a GC friend recently, so even before this update.
She advised me to use Flo instead.

I've been following their Twitter where lots of women are pushing back against this. I was annoyed when they removed the fertile window (I'm 43, I don't need warnings about contraception thanks); but I'm so annoyed about this that I'm about to cancel the app as soon as I can copy my cycle data.

WTF is wrong with the woke cookie crowd? Haven't they worked out that woke teenagers don't have any money and won't be buying their app subscriptions?

I had the same this week with Yoni pads who I'd bought from in the past -- no longer because of their daft "we hate terfs" social media "inclusive" shit. Good luck getting teenage transboys to buy organic bamboo pads at £3 a box. Sheesh.

The dehumanising language has been there a little while and is the one reason I use the free version of Clue rather than paying. Ethical consumption is important to me and is about the most effective political power I currently have. Whilst I'd love to support female scientists, normalising breaking the sex class of female human into categories such as "cervix havers", "menstruators" etc does far too much damage to the health of all women. Especially those with SEN or ESL who don't understand the terms and then don't access the health care. It also facilitates the rise in commercial surrogacy by dehumanising the process of pregnancy and birth, which obviously risks the health of economically disadvantaged women and any resulting children.

I was also pretty upset with the removal of the fertile window and ovulation day. I found it vaguely patronising that they assumed I didn't understand contraception. I also don't use the tracker simply to work out when my period will be. Living in a female body means riding waves of hormonal changes which have a profound impact on my day to day life. Such as feeling more adventurous and social around ovulation or being far more prone to exercise related injury prior to my period.

I've been tracking with Clue since 2016 and the latest update has pushed me to stop using it. I understand if something like @EBearhug's comment has happened and they're trying to cover themselves, but then they should just come out and say that, rather than making it about women, people who menstruate or otherwise.

Does the "ovulation day" actually show up for anyone who has turned the setting on though? I just have a blank circle.

Would also like suggestions for other apps!

There has been some significant criticism of apps like this in general so far as people using them as contraception. It's a potential liability so maybe they want to discourage people doing it without really understanding what they are doing.

I charted for years for contraception, and while it's not difficult really you do need to understand what you are doing to be able to use the information properly.

I use the menstrual cycle function which is part of my Garmin app. Simple and factual but obviously you’d need a Garmin watch. It refers to me in the second person so perfect for everyone.