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Feeling disheartened

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EdinburghFeminist · 04/03/2021 10:51

Am I the only one just feeling really drained by all this constant having to fight for every tiny right to any single sex provisions and the ability to talk about women’s issues without being overrun by TRAs or just not being able to speak for fear of being called transphobic? The sudden influx of goady threads in the last couple of days really hasn’t helped but even with a lot of positive GC news stories recently it all feels a bit overwhelming and crap somehow.

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 04/03/2021 21:04
Flowers I’m finding the bastard Hate Crime Bill has a near monopoly on my rage just now with the surprise silver lining that it’s made it easier to roll my eyes at the idiotic threads!

The shield wall is strong & deep; you can step back as you need to Flowers

ArabellaScott · 04/03/2021 20:54

@WarOnWomen

*mean. I mean mean. Stupid unfortunate autocorrect. AngryHmm
Don't worry, it hairpins to all of us.
Daca · 04/03/2021 20:46

These childish attempts to disrupt political organising and debate are a sign of weakness. Don’t be disheartened. But it’s good to acknowledge your exhaustion.

PheasantPlucker1 · 04/03/2021 20:30

I agree, sometimes a break is needed! But the brilliant thing I have noticed about feminists is theres always someone ready to step in and take over, and they just keep getting more and more articulate and intelligent Grin

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 04/03/2021 20:25

Every time someone starts a silly thread I turn up the Vagina Anthem. m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPIRfivo4lo

Mollyollydolly · 04/03/2021 20:02

Every time someone starts a silly thread I put an imaginary pound in an imaginary pot for Crowdfunders. Cheers me up no end. Just keep buggering on.

MaudTheInvincible · 04/03/2021 19:53

That’s great news Buffy! I haven’t been into town in a year now but I have painted some Women won’t wheesht stones to take in next time I can get there.

Stones is a great idea, thank you Thanks

CheeryTreeBlossom · 04/03/2021 19:13

I had this discussion with DH the other day. He is seeing a constant push at his workplace towards stonewall guidance, has colleagues spitting about JKR etc. We spoke about the law change in the US and he said "do you think it will just get to a point where you're tired and the majority has decided this is the way it will be?"
And I thought, no, never. I will never accept the dismantling of women's rights and the erasure of our sex. I don't care what laws are passed it can't change reality. I will continue to talk about it, challenge my MP and support cases to effect change.

Having said that there was a point last year where I did have to take a step back. I was emailing my MP who was busy fence sitting and researching and finding horrific statistics on sexual assaults on women and girls in mixed spaces and it took a toll on me. I have a young daughter and I can't bear her that she'll grow up in that.

Take the time out, regather your strength so you are ready for the next fight.

WarOnWomen · 04/03/2021 19:05

*mean. I mean mean. Stupid unfortunate autocorrect. AngryHmm

WarOnWomen · 04/03/2021 19:02

@ArabellaScott

No, you're not. Take heart. Have a Brew and a wee break from time to time. There are plenty of us to take up the slack. Smile

That has cheered me up no end. Such a lovely thing to say and men. HmmThanks

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 04/03/2021 18:57

It may not feel like it but we’re getting there.

They got this far by ‘no debate’ and keeping everything very under the radar. The moment we started noticing & dragging it all out into the sunlight, that started to change.

Just think - 10 years ago there was no Fair Play for Women, no WPUK, no Transgender Trend, no Keep Prisons Single Sex, no Keira Bell landmark judgment...

We can do this. We are doing it. We’ll get there.

notyourhandmaid · 04/03/2021 18:41

It is exhausting. Flowers

EdinburghFeminist · 04/03/2021 17:27

@Buffyj

I walked around Edinburgh yesterday and saw so many of the 'women won't wheesht' ribbons. Every time I saw one my heart swelled a little. It helped. There are lots of us out there xx
That’s great news Buffy! I haven’t been into town in a year now but I have painted some Women won’t wheesht stones to take in next time I can get there.
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Buffyj · 04/03/2021 16:42

I walked around Edinburgh yesterday and saw so many of the 'women won't wheesht' ribbons. Every time I saw one my heart swelled a little. It helped. There are lots of us out there xx

MistressoftheDarkSide · 04/03/2021 16:35

I've been trying to keep up and my brain feels like a pretzel.

Can't step away because I'm a woman and this issue is important to me and all women, but also am tempted to do so because the over-riding message in the current zeitgeist is that a woman's place is, as always, in the wrong.

If only Eve hadn't bitten that bloody apple......Hmm

EndoplasmicReticulum · 04/03/2021 16:29

If a whole generation of young people genuinely think there's no such thing as biological sex I've wasted my career (biology teacher).

zzizzer · 04/03/2021 14:04

But what keeps me going is that they'd have the smug satisfaction of thinking they had won.

They have not. They will not.

zzizzer · 04/03/2021 14:03

Yeah it's all somewhere between exhausting and boring.

Sometimes I am just done with this whole thing. I think, if a whole generation of young people genuinely think that there's no such thing as biological sex; if they are sincerely that goddamn stupid - well then, maybe that's it and as a species we're just fucked - and maybe its about time too.

It's a slog to push forward again sometimes.

EdinburghFeminist · 04/03/2021 13:44

Thanks to everyone who has mentioned the Hide button! I didn’t know it was there!!

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Strikemepink · 04/03/2021 13:40

I’m now feeling more disheartened that it seems we cannot express our disappointment at men being centred on International Women’s Day.

Thelnebriati · 04/03/2021 13:39

Another vote here for the Hide button.

If you'd like something else to read here's an interesting article about the 'good girl double bind'.

''The Good Girl Double Bind describes the precarious ledge most women live on to be socially acceptable, teetering between “too much” and “not enough.”
It is a compression that has a detrimental effect on how we communicate.
A Good Girl doesn’t want to seem pushy or domineering, but she doesn’t want to seem helpless or pathetic, either. Contortions—verbal, physical, energetic—ensue.''
www.kasiaurbaniak.com/blog/britney-spears-and-the-good-girl-double-bind

HermitsLife · 04/03/2021 13:34

I agree, I've been hiding lots of threads these past few days.

If they offered a new insight or point of view or even as PP have said look at funding and support for trans specific causes it would be interesting and worthwile getting involved, but they're just goady, self absorbed, pointless and entitled demanding of time and energy that none of us should feel dutybound to pander to.

Strikemepink · 04/03/2021 13:25

You are not alone. I wish there was a way of actually finding like minded people in ‘real life’. I feel the need to ‘do something’. I just don’t know what, or where to start. And worry about the implications in my personal life, like in my job.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 04/03/2021 12:54

@Evarish

Personally I'm more pre-occupied with ensuring children don't get arrested for playing sports, people who need (immediate) medical care don't get barred access due to definitions in law and ensuring others have access to work spaces and safety because most facilities simply can't be accessible to trans people while enforcing single sex exclusive spaces.

If you're exhausted discussing dressing rooms and toilets and being called transphobic, woo, wait until the day you're denied access to a medical facility you need in terms of life or death because they're by definitions of their own treatments not allowed to cover your care.

Please give an example of anyone trans being denied access to a medical facility that is a matter of life or death.
EndoplasmicReticulum · 04/03/2021 12:54

I understand. Am about to go on a bit of a "hide this thread" mission.