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Trans rights don't effect women's rights.

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ASugar · 04/03/2021 07:16

There is so much misinformation on this website and at places such as 'Fair Play For Women' that claims transgender rights effect women's rights. It is incorrect.

Firstly, nothing has proven that transgender women have the same crime rate as biological, cis men. It isn't biological and actually continuing this false narrative is allowing cis men to not take responsibility.

Secondly, Trans women and men pose no additional threat in prisons linked with their sex. They have been assaulted and abused to the same degree that they may have acted on which is why transgender wards are being put into place. However the issue isn't the fact TW or TM are in prisons assosiated with their gender, our prison systems aren't safe for anyone. That's what we should be concerned about and advocating for change within.

Thirdly, the bathroom debate. Transgender women have shown to pose no higher threat in single sex spaces than cisgender women. Meaning that denying their rights to use public bathrooms is unjustified. This actually is all recycled arguments from when lesbians and women of color wanted to use single sex spaces and wanted protection by the equality act for it.

And lastly, please stop believing everything you read online. A lot of the material made by the gender critical community is false. It is fabricated to scare you into believing them. Please take some time to do some research, speak to transgender people and learn that trans rights are not a debate.

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donquixotedelamancha · 04/03/2021 07:27

Please take some time to do some research, speak to transgender people and learn that trans rights are not a debate.

There is an LGBT forum on here if you want to discuss trans rights. This one focuses on women's rights, so while it's fine to discuss the intersection of the two this area is primarily about the impact on women.

A number of people on feminism chat are trans, lots more have trans people in our lives. Your assumption otherwise is weirdly patronising, are you very young?

It might be best to focus on one specific point you wish to make and to be specific. It's hard to engage with such a vague and unsupported set of assertions.

ASugar · 04/03/2021 07:26

@pitterpatterrain it's all within the uk crime documents and statistics. That nothing conclusive has shown this to be true.

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nothingcomestonothing · 04/03/2021 07:26

Uh huh Hmm

AngelaMerkelEyeRoll · 04/03/2021 07:25

Firstly - sources that TW commit violent crime at the rate of women, not men?

Secondly - women only get raped and assaulted with penises in prison if a male with a penis is present.

Thirdly - what about privacy and dignity? I don't want males in toilets or changing rooms. TW or not.

So much else to cover in your post, so little time.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 04/03/2021 07:25

Oh can I also point people to the Bunbury threads.

ASugar · 04/03/2021 07:24

@CrazyNeighbour There is nothing to confirm that at all. Trans women do not commit crime at the same rate as cis men.

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CrazyNeighbour · 04/03/2021 07:22

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Igneococcus · 04/03/2021 07:21

Well, that's all settled then.

WorkingItOutAsIGo · 04/03/2021 07:20

I think you meant affect not effect.

pitterpatterrain · 04/03/2021 07:19

Do you really believe this?

Given that decent data in jails seems lacking I am curious the basis. Also “no additional risk due to sex” - well, rape would be an additional risk no?

Do you have any evidence for your assertions beyond “talk to someone then realise it’s no debate”?

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