Trans rights don't effect women's rights.

Some women have discovered otherwise, but thanks for your input, OP 😃

It's 'affect' not 'effect'.

Secondly, Trans women and men pose no additional threat in prisons linked with their sex. They have been assaulted and abused to the same degree that they may have acted on which is why transgender wards are being put into place. However the issue isn't the fact TW or TM are in prisons assosiated with their gender, our prison systems aren't safe for anyone. That's what we should be concerned about and advocating for change within.

Why do you think that TM are not clamouring to go to the prison associated with their gender but are housed in the female estate?

What say you to the fact that 50% of TW prisoners are sex offenders? A statistic that is way higher than for the male prison population. That suggests that there is a particular risk from TW prisoners that is actually far higher than from your regular male prisoner.

So thank for the scolding and lies. However, I'll carry on defending women's rights and you can stick to campaigning for penis rights. I hope you'll understand that is not our priority on a feminist board.

Love these threads.
Made me chuckle on this grey, rainy morning.

Sophoclesthefox has said everything I would have liked to say - only so much better.

Great thread, OP. I always admire people who advocate for trans rights on here. It's a scary place to do so sometimes! You are absolutely correct when you compare these attitudes to past attitudes that people had to gay people and people of colour. People fear what they do not understand, always have and probably always will.

I agree Nellodee, it would be great to analyse why half the transwomen in prisons are there for sex offences. That's an unusually high rate.
Either people are pretending to be trans in order to manipulate the system and access victims- which must be stopped- or transwomen are predisposed to sexually offend.

No one from the UK would say bathroom OP, so not believing you there.

Oh no are we feministing wrong?

If the definition of women includes men, then there are no women’s issues or sex based rights there are only “people’s issues” some of whom may be women

Good morning, OP.

Welcome to the feminism board. You’ve probably heard terrible things about it, very few of which are true.

What is true is that we’re terrible grammar pedants, and that you’ve come here to “educate” us and inadvertently made a GC point by saying that “trans rights don’t effect women’s rights”, which I completely agree with, is a very amusing point to browse while I drink my coffee

Trans rights do affect women’s rights though, unfortunately, because if we can’t define who women are and why we might have or need specific rights, those rights are degraded and eroded.

It’s also good netiquette to try to get a feel for a board before launching in, maybe have a read round and get a feel for the place?

As someone who's primary job is working with young women and girls on their rights and works within sexual health, I can confirm that they do not effect one another.

You've been asked by a number of people to be clear and cite evidence but you just keep giving opinion. How about starting by defining your terms and focusing on one area:

You say women should not have a right to single sex spaces and these should be segregated by gender.

What is a transwoman for this purpose? At what point is a male who socially transitions safe enough to put in a cell with a woman?

How do you feel about the tapes and sexual assaults which have occured when this has happened?

The OP is somewhat correct in that there is quite limited evidence on crime statistics. The Swedish study is now quite old and didn’t look at different types of crime. The MoJ statistics are very woolly and getting them has been like squeezing blood from rock.
What evidence we do have very much points towards a male pattern of criminality in transwomen, but I would very much welcome a joint push between feminists and transactivists to collect much better data so that we could decide the issue once and for all.
Any objections, OP?

Every transwoman on a podium has prevented a woman from competing and from winning. We are trying to encourage women into sports for health reasons, not to discourage them and push them out.

I agree with the OP.

Why? Do you have proof that contradicts the male patterns of criminality exhibited by transwomen in official statistics?

Women are assaulted often without a penis involved too. Our prison systems need to be safer as a whole.

Oh well, that's alright then. If they're assaulted anyway they can be expected to put up with a bit of rape as well, can't they?

[quote ASugar]@CrazyNeighbour As someone who's primary job is working with young women and girls on their rights and works within sexual health, I can confirm that they do not effect one another.[/quote]
And your opinion is the be all and end all is it?

Simply saying something doesn't make it so, OP. You need to do some fact checking because there's a whole lot more knowledge on here than you are in possession of.

TW in women's sports do affect women /girls. My dp is not a risk in women's spaces, I still do not want him in them ( and he has no desire to be in them), if TW are unsafe in male spaces that is for men to sort, TW have rights and should campaign for them but they don't get our rights

I love a bit of early morning wokesplaining

Do please direct us to the links for the empirical peer reviewed evidence for all your statements. I’m sure you have it.

I think you should also know that we tend to view comparisons of back women with transwomen as being extremely racist in this board. We believe that a person is a woman because they are of the sex that under normal development produces the large gametes. Transwomen do not fit this criteria. There is no reason other than racism to deny that blank women are as fully female as any other colour woman.

I will continue to stick up for women's rights, as they seem to be getting ignored. Why should women have to be okay with this, just because trans people say so.
I'm all for trans rights but it should not wipe out the rights of another group, they have to be in unison. Right now it seems trans groups want things their way only and women should just have to accept that