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Trans rights don't effect women's rights.

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ASugar · 04/03/2021 07:16

There is so much misinformation on this website and at places such as 'Fair Play For Women' that claims transgender rights effect women's rights. It is incorrect.

Firstly, nothing has proven that transgender women have the same crime rate as biological, cis men. It isn't biological and actually continuing this false narrative is allowing cis men to not take responsibility.

Secondly, Trans women and men pose no additional threat in prisons linked with their sex. They have been assaulted and abused to the same degree that they may have acted on which is why transgender wards are being put into place. However the issue isn't the fact TW or TM are in prisons assosiated with their gender, our prison systems aren't safe for anyone. That's what we should be concerned about and advocating for change within.

Thirdly, the bathroom debate. Transgender women have shown to pose no higher threat in single sex spaces than cisgender women. Meaning that denying their rights to use public bathrooms is unjustified. This actually is all recycled arguments from when lesbians and women of color wanted to use single sex spaces and wanted protection by the equality act for it.

And lastly, please stop believing everything you read online. A lot of the material made by the gender critical community is false. It is fabricated to scare you into believing them. Please take some time to do some research, speak to transgender people and learn that trans rights are not a debate.

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wellthatsunusual · 04/03/2021 08:02

Transgender women also deserve that privacy and dignity. That's why we have cubicals as well.

Indeed they do. Which is why I would support their campaign for a separate space for transgender women. Can you point me towards the campaign as I assume there must be one since privacy is important?

Numicon · 04/03/2021 08:01

We might need a suspended-animation/stasis machine if we are going to wait for these 'facts'.

Moirarose2021 · 04/03/2021 08:00

No I won't blame your mother for your poor grammar. It may have been meant as a pish poor joke, but I'm fed up to the back teeth with women getting blamed for everything, take some responsibility!!

CuntAmongstThePigeons · 04/03/2021 08:00

Haha sorry OP, must try harder. What a load of waffle!!! We like facts and data here on FWR, please feel free to evidence any of your assertions. Just one even. Ill wait.........

NotTerfNorCis · 04/03/2021 07:59

This is the second time recently that I've seen a lack of research used as 'proof' of something.

'There has been no research that proves x' [also there has been no research that disproves x] 'therefore x is false'.

We certainly do need more research into things like crime rates and sports advantage, but I suspect the TRAs would resist it and vilify the academic or organisation carrying out the research.

Greenmarmalade · 04/03/2021 07:59

Butter.

LastRoloIsMine · 04/03/2021 07:59

Because it is the one topic on here. It is the only thing you discuss. So yeah, a board that talks exclusively about anti trans stuff IS labelled anti trans. There is so much more to feminism than this but none of that stuff is discussed her.

A quick look on the board actually shows many different topics being discussed. Feminists are pretty talented you know whe can think about more than 1 thing at once!

What anti trans stuff is currently been discussed here?

EdgedInBlue · 04/03/2021 07:59

Empress yes. And it comes in handy little individual bars too. Perfect womanly handbag-sized!

midgedude · 04/03/2021 07:58

To sum up

Do feminism as you are told

You are so horrid and mean and nasty

donquixotedelamancha · 04/03/2021 07:58

And to those making comments on my grammar and spelling, you can blame my mum for that one

Why your mum? There is still plenty of time to address this, speak to your English teacher when you go back next week.

Numicon · 04/03/2021 07:58

you can blame my mum for that one

Thought so. A woman's fault you can't spell.

Doyoumind · 04/03/2021 07:58

@ASugar

Well done everyone!

You passed the test. I wanted to confirm this was a transphobic platform and you've all done that. In less than 30 minutes might I add!

This thread and comments will be collected and used to prove to MumsNet that the transphobia on this website is unsettling and wrong. Thanks ladies.

You've only proved you're young and brainwashed. The thread will go anyway and you have no proof of anything.
GCAcademic · 04/03/2021 07:58

@nancywhitehead

Great thread, OP. I always admire people who advocate for trans rights on here. It's a scary place to do so sometimes! You are absolutely correct when you compare these attitudes to past attitudes that people had to gay people and people of colour. People fear what they do not understand, always have and probably always will.
Firstly, there are plenty of lesbians and women of colour on this board, so kindly don't co-opt our struggles against us.

Secondly, gay people and people of colour have never claimed their civil rights by demanding that other vulnerable groups give up rights that they have fought for and that are protected in law. Nor have they demanded that people deny material evidence and say things that they know not to be true.

CrazyNeighbour · 04/03/2021 07:58

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CCCollins · 04/03/2021 07:57

How do you know this? There are no figures available on this subject

EdgeOfACoin · 04/03/2021 07:56

Because it is the one topic on here. It is the only thing you discuss.

Sorry, remind me, who started this thread?

Original poster
ASugar · 04/03/2021 07:56

And to those making comments on my grammar and spelling, you can blame my mum for that one 😂

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Numicon · 04/03/2021 07:56

WE FORGOT TO BE KIND!! Now a man thinks we don't hold his comfort above all things. I am ashamed, op. Please, teach us to be better 🙏

donquixotedelamancha · 04/03/2021 07:55

You passed the test. I wanted to confirm this was a transphobic platform and you've all done that. In less than 30 minutes might I add!

What by asking questions?

You keep using that word transphobia. I think imagining that all trans people think the same and need you to speak for them is more transphobic than advocating in favour of women's rights.

LastRoloIsMine · 04/03/2021 07:55

This thread and comments will be collected and used to prove to MumsNet that the transphobia on this website is unsettling and wrong. Thanks ladies.

Ha ha ha this is a public forum it can be seen by anyone. Plus nothing said on this thread is new its repeated across existing thread's already. You have wasted 30 minutes of your life which is quite funny.

Erm who are you calling ladies? There are men on this thread so nice bit of misgendered there!.

Nellodee · 04/03/2021 07:55

Transphobia is very much in the eye of the beholder, isn’t it?

GCAcademic · 04/03/2021 07:54

Because it is the one topic on here. It is the only thing you discuss. So yeah, a board that talks exclusively about anti trans stuff IS labelled anti trans. There is so much more to feminism than this but none of that stuff is discussed her.

None of that stuff is discussed here? Don't be so lazy, go and take a look. There are plenty of threads.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 04/03/2021 07:54

@EdgedInBlue

Well that's us told.

Next on the agenda, ladies - Soreen. To butter or not?

Does Soreen really come in different flavours nowadays? I’d forgotten it existed until I saw the transactivist pile-on on Twitter. Making several additions to my shopping list.
ThreeB · 04/03/2021 07:53

@ASugar

Well done everyone!

You passed the test. I wanted to confirm this was a transphobic platform and you've all done that. In less than 30 minutes might I add!

This thread and comments will be collected and used to prove to MumsNet that the transphobia on this website is unsettling and wrong. Thanks ladies.

Perhaps you could show us what, in your opinion, is transphobic in the posts on this thread? Lots of people scream that Mumsnet is transphobic but fail to provide evidence.
Nellodee · 04/03/2021 07:53

Are completely, picklemewalnuts. And again, I think this is very much why we need to look at data, rather than our personal friendship groups, because you would very much like to think that none of the people advocating us to be kind are talking about being kind to sex offenders. However, sex offenders exist. The vast majority of them are male and some of those males are trans, or pretend to be so for greater access to victims and/or an easier route through the judicial system.

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